GUILTY

[rambot]

I am sure it will become an issue as it works it's way through the Appeals process. Even if it takes getting to the supreme court, to get justice regarding law.

So you're saying Trump's 50million dollar lawyers managed to overlook this very, very basic fact?

But I thought he only hired the best?

Or maybe they are just going to SAY that they are doing this because without doing that, the Trump faithful don't have that juicy red meat to stay motivated and angry. And as long as there is ONE hope; one legal avenue open, it's always that the system is the problem.

 

[essentialsaltes]

was made an election violation......

We already know Michael Cohen is guilty of violating election law.
This trial was about the falsification of business records to cover up that fact.

 

[ralliann]

So you're saying Trump's 50million dollar lawyers managed to overlook this very, very basic fact?

Since the exact nature of the charges were not clear, still are not, how do you Answer it? That is part of of the problem with Bragg and merchan.

But I thought he only hired the best?

Or maybe they are just going to SAY that they are doing this because without doing that, the Trump faithful don't have that juicy red meat to stay motivated and angry. And as long as there is ONE hope; one legal avenue open, it's always that the system is the problem.

We will see what went on in appeal.

 

[ralliann]

We already know Michael Cohen is guilty of violating election law.
This trial was about the falsification of business records to cover up that fact.

And that "legally" has nothing to do with whether Trump did. See all this will come out in appeal. But all the lies and disinformation will go on until then. Just like the Colorado case, just like hamas vs Israel. Any divisive Issue marxists love the division and mistrust...
Irony, the one we know admitted to this, is getting rich off of it and jail free. Bragg got the guy he campaigned he would get...

 

[essentialsaltes]

Any divisive Issue marxists love the division and mistrust...

Maybe you should thwart them by promoting unity and placing trust in our nation's common institutions, such as the independent judiciary and the judgments of a jury trial.

 

[ralliann]

Maybe you should thwart them by promoting unity and placing trust in our nation's common institutions, such as the independent judiciary and the judgments of a jury trial.

This is a hypocritical farce. Alito, is being attacked. Judge Cannon attacked. Give it a break already...
All the attacks on supreme court nominees has been going on for YEARS. Liberal judges, vs conservative judges. Looking at the justice system as ideological is NOTHING NEW.

 

[Green Sun]

And that "legally" has nothing to do with whether Trump did. See all this will come out in appeal. But all the lies and disinformation will go on until then. Just like the Colorado case, just like hamas vs Israel. Any divisive Issue marxists love the division and mistrust...
Irony, the one we know admitted to this, is getting rich off of it and jail free. Bragg got the guy he campaigned he would get...

Attempting to cover up someone else's crime is also a crime, FYI.

 

[essentialsaltes]

This is a hypocritical farce. Alito, is being attacked. Judge Cannon attacked. Give it a break already...

I'm not talking about individual people, I'm talking about the system. The independent judiciary. The system of jury trials.

Trump will get as many appeals as he's allowed (as was also true of the election cases he brought) and justice will be done.

We have to abide by the rule of law.

 

[rambot]

Since the exact nature of the charges were not clear, still are not, how do you Answer it?

It's curious to me. Because the charges aren't clear...TO YOU, why is that pertinent to his trial?
The lawyers need to understand the charges and (ideally the client unless he/she is unable to).

We will see what went on in appeal.

No. We will see what they allege/ DESPERATELY HOPE could prove be proved.

 

[Foamhead]

That is why I used the term. It seems they believe that he will save them from the taking over of the US by immigrants and transsexuals.

It's too late. We're everywhere. Mwa ha ha.

 

[ralliann]

I'm not talking about individual people, I'm talking about the system. The independent judiciary. The system of jury trials.

Trump will get as many appeals as he's allowed (as was also true of the election cases he brought) and justice will be done.

We have to abide by the rule of law.

Yes, we do need to abide by the rule of law. This is bigger than presidencies, Trump or anyone else, this is about this country.

 

[ralliann]

It's curious to me. Because the charges aren't clear...TO YOU, why is that pertinent to his trial?
The lawyers need to understand the charges and (ideally the client unless he/she is unable to).

No. We will see what they allege/ DESPERATELY HOPE could prove be proved.

Name all those counts. Tell us what they are. Name them.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Name all those counts. Tell us what they are. Name them.

All 34 counts are the same:

New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law -​

PEN § 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree​

Current as of January 01, 2021 | Updated by FindLaw Staff
A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree(*), and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.
Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony.

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*
A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the second degree when, with intent to defraud, he:

1. Makes or causes a false entry in the business records of an enterprise;  or
2. Alters, erases, obliterates, deletes, removes or destroys a true entry in the business records of an enterprise;  or
3. Omits to make a true entry in the business records of an enterprise in violation of a duty to do so which he knows to be imposed upon him by law or by the nature of his position;  or
4. Prevents the making of a true entry or causes the omission thereof in the business records of an enterprise.

 

[rambot]

Name all those counts. Tell us what they are. Name them.

Someone was nice enough to do the work for me.

What's confusing there?

 

[driewerf]

Since the exact nature of the charges were not clear, still are not,

Really?
And Trump lawyers didn't highlight that to the jury? Unclear charges and they didn't use that in their defence? Wow, talk about being incompetent.

 

[7thKeeper]

All 34 counts are the same:

New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law -​

PEN § 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree​

Current as of January 01, 2021 | Updated by FindLaw Staff
A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree(*), and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.
Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony.

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*
A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the second degree when, with intent to defraud, he:

1. Makes or causes a false entry in the business records of an enterprise;  or
2. Alters, erases, obliterates, deletes, removes or destroys a true entry in the business records of an enterprise;  or
3. Omits to make a true entry in the business records of an enterprise in violation of a duty to do so which he knows to be imposed upon him by law or by the nature of his position;  or
4. Prevents the making of a true entry or causes the omission thereof in the business records of an enterprise.

Now let's watch them not be satisfied.

 

[ralliann]

Really?
And Trump lawyers didn't highlight that to the jury? Unclear charges and they didn't use that in their defence? Wow, talk about being incompetent.

It is not clear what made this an election violation. Remember not all jururs had to agree on the crimes. They were given a smorgasbord to choose from. That is not unanimous, it is just accepted anyway.
This "hush money" case, was about a legal non disclosure agreement which STORMY VIOLATED

 

[Belk]

It is not clear what made this an election violation. Remember not all jururs had to agree on the crimes. They were given a smorgasbord to choose from. That is not unanimous, it is just accepted anyway.
This "hush money" case, was about a legal non disclosure agreement which STORMY VIOLATED

That is incorrect. All the jurors had to agree unanimously. You are repeating misinformation.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

It is not clear what made this an election violation. Remember not all jururs had to agree on the crimes. They were given a smorgasbord to choose from. That is not unanimous, it is just accepted anyway.

As I posted yesterday when this was brought up in another thread:

To clarify, the specific law that the prosecution claims was violated (and was being covered up) is a New York state law that prohibits conspiracy to promote or prevent an election by "unlawful means". The law does not specify what those "unlawful means" must be or that they be a crime for which the defendant has been previously convicted, so the jury is not required to agree on what they are.

I agree, it's not particularly straightforward, but it is the law.

There were three "unlawful means" that the prosecution put forward. The jurors still had to agree unanimously that Trump conspired to promote an election by "unlawful means".

This "hush money" case, was about a legal non disclosure agreement which STORMY VIOLATED

It had absolutely nothing to do with Ms. Daniels' NDA.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It is not clear what made this an election violation.

Cohen is guilty of an election violation. The falsification law pertains to cases

"when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof."

It's not the crime, it's the coverup (which is also a crime).