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And Biden got Trump and Putin mixed up, said he defeated Medicaid and lied including the lie that no troops died under his presidency and that the border patrol endorsed him. He seemed confused and incoherentI did. Trump was more confident but said nothing of value, lied almost every breath and was barely coherent.
Why don’t you start a thread on that, this one has been derailed enough.Well, show me the figures about foreign born workers. Let's see what affect that has on the economy. Where'd you get that info? And I'm not interested in what some people feel when they are polled. Or what some dude says on Youtube about his Wal-Mart bill. Talking about the economy means talking about facts and figures. From reputable sources.
I'll wait here while you find some.
Well all we have right now is that Biden is residing over massive debt and not doing a thing to bring it down. In fact the massive debt he brought in is what has caused the inflation and costs of live to triple in the last couple of years making many unable to afford housing, food and energy costs.That may be...but it doesn't change the fact that republicans drive the deficit up when they're in office, and complain about how high it is when they're not. They don't do a thing to bring it down.
But high enough that its causing many to turn against Biden. Thats the only poll that counts right now.Democrats, at the very least, don't drive it up as high as the GOP does.
The debt is felt by voters today and not 10, 20 or 30 years ago. They cannot afford to live right now and thats all that counts and that has been under a Biden adminstration. They don't see it geting better and in fact percieve Trump as the way out of the mess.So, seems to me, if the debt is the number one issue, then that voter really shouldn't be voting republican.
OK fair enough, I don't know the dynamics of the US economy. All I know is right now people trust Trump more than Biden with the economy. They feel the pinch of his policies and they believe things will only get worse.I can't speak for most western nations, but it certainly hasn't been the case here in the US. Not with the GOP anyway.
Fair enough. Well Reagan was a Hollywoord actor and they like spending lol. But from memory hee did get the economy pumping as well to counter that.The exact opposite happens here. The only president who was able to get the economy to a budget surplus was Clinton. The president who drove the deficit the highest was Reagan.
According the analists it seems the Right has been overall the more economically responsible party. We have to understand deficits in the context of the times. Under Reagan it rose due high inflation that he inherited. They also gave big tax cuts which increased the deficit due to lower tax reciepts. But then this brought strong growth that was unmatched in previous years. So the cuts were like an investment that paid off.The GOP hasn't been the so-called "party of fiscal responsibility" for a while now, long before covid. Since Reagan, really.
They can claim they are because overall they are the better managers. The simple fact that the Left hate business and want to get their money to pay massive welfare budgets is evidence of that. The Right up until covid invested more and supported more business that the Left. Its in their DNA and to claim otherwise is unreal.But they still pretend they are. At least, when on the campaign trail. Not so much when it comes to actual governing.
You literally have just supported my point that the Left penalised business, make it hard for them to flourish with much bigger tax burdens and other restrictions, creating a hostile environment for business and investment. How is that good economic management when that actually scared investors away and reduces business investment. Considering that business creates 60% of jobs and revenue.-- A2SG, then it's tax cuts for the rich....and that's it....
I am not sure thats an accurate reading of the economy. Notice the time period 2019 to 2024. Covid caused the greatest recession since the great depression and the economy virtually came to a stand still. Then we had the stimulous packages to kick start it. So of course we are going to see a big increase in growth from an all time low.Then let's examine what he's going to do to fix an economy as described here: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/us-economy-excellent/678630/
You don't have any figures. All you have are bumper sticker political claims. Immigrants do jobs that are poorly paid that Americans don't want. But hey, Trump is going to get rid of them all. So who is going to do that work at those wages? No-one. So wages will have to rise. So costs increase. So prices go up. And who pays the extra?Why don’t you start a thread on that, this one has been derailed enough.
No, you don't get to do that. No way. If you want to make a nonsensical claim at the very begining of a post then the rest can be discounted. This gish gallop form of posting is not on. You need to back up your claims as you go, so on what do you base this risible claim?...costs of live to triple in the last couple of years...
That's what I think every time Biden pops up asking for money while I'm scrolling through youtube clips.Fools and their money are soon parted.
I see you've put yourself in charge of others again.No, you don't get to do that. No way. If you want to make a nonsensical claim at the very begining of a post then the rest can be discounted. This gish gallop form of posting is not on. You need to back up your claims as you go, so on what do you base this risible claim?
I will wait and see what he actually does.You don't have any figures. All you have are bumper sticker political claims. Immigrants do jobs that are poorly paid that Americans don't want. But hey, Trump is going to get rid of them all. So who is going to do that work at those wages? No-one. So wages will have to rise. So costs increase. So prices go up. And who pays the extra?
So your immigration claim is one that actually keeps prices down. Would you like to try something else that you think Trump will do to improve things? Dropping taxes for high earners? Tariffs?
Ok that seems a strange thing to get all worked up over. Didn't the Dems evidently claim Hunters laptop was all a Russian conspiracy. Is that right.Too bad the number 1 issue for the political parties is other people's genitals. The Republicans even showed us pictures of Hunter Biden's genitals on live prime time TV.
You think keeping prices down by paying poor immigrants subpar wages is a good thing?You don't have any figures. All you have are bumper sticker political claims. Immigrants do jobs that are poorly paid that Americans don't want. But hey, Trump is going to get rid of them all. So who is going to do that work at those wages? No-one. So wages will have to rise. So costs increase. So prices go up. And who pays the extra?
So your immigration claim is one that actually keeps prices down. Would you like to try something else that you think Trump will do to improve things? Dropping taxes for high earners? Tariffs?
What you just posted is a bumper sticker political claim. Tell me what jobs there are in Los Angeles County that only quasi-slave illegals will do? There's always been plenty of documented migrants to work agriculture. But all the illegals who swarm into places like Van Nuys aren't there to pick crops. Bill Clinton used to give about as strong anti illegal alien speeches as Trump. But somewhere along the line the Democrat party decided to exploit minorities to get their votes.You don't have any figures. All you have are bumper sticker political claims. Immigrants do jobs that are poorly paid that Americans don't want. But hey, Trump is going to get rid of them all. So who is going to do that work at those wages? No-one. So wages will have to rise. So costs increase. So prices go up. And who pays the extra?
So your immigration claim is one that actually keeps prices down. Would you like to try something else that you think Trump will do to improve things? Dropping taxes for high earners? Tariffs?
What you just posted is a bumper sticker political claim. Tell me what jobs there are in Los Angeles County that only quasi-slave illegals will do?
I love the mean look, he should have been an actor. I think this will actually work in his favor lol. I don't think the Dems realise this. Like they say any advertisement is good advertisement.That is not exactly what you were talking about. What I showed was someone on the Right demonstrating some sort of perverse pride in Trump's felony convictions.
These are not official campaign items, but clearly these are MAGA products for MAGA people.
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I feel at least uncomfortable that Trumps case involved so many people in positions of influence with Left leanings. Ceratinly there was a majority involved in his cases. Certainly he has been treated like no other person for the same crimes. Even if the system would go to such lengths for someone other than Trump, an average person or better still someone who was on the Left.I wouldn’t mind if the people involved, on the prosecution’s side, would have a bias that the person that they’ve brought an indictment against is “guilty”.
And what percentage of garments sold in the US are made in LA? I used to work in a huge garment distribution facility for a high volume national brand, and most if not all of the product was manufactured outside of the US. A lot of it came in from Central and South America. Remember not having the slaves is supposed to raise costs for the US consumer significantly, so there has to be a significant amount of garments made in LA and sold in the US for that to happen.INSIDE THE FIGHT TO END LABOR EXPLOITATION IN L.A. GARMENT FACTORIES (2020)
Garment workers are working to change a long history of wage theft and sweatshop-like conditions in Los Angeles.
With an average hourly rate of $6, [i.e. below the federal minimum wage, much less California] Los Angeles' fashion district is predicated on a vulnerable workforce of largely undocumented immigrants. Workers of this underground economy are often subjected to wage theft, intimidation and poor health and safety conditions.
WHAT FUELS EXPLOITATION?
Unfortunately, ongoing exploitation means that the GWC [a garment worker rights group] is as relevant as ever. A Department of Labor investigation in 2016 found that contractors received only 73% of what they need to be able to pay workers minimum wage. The result is that retailers have their garments made cheaply, increasing their profits, while workers receive below minimum wage.
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UNFIT WAGES: US DEPARTMENT OF LABOR SURVEY FINDS WIDESPREAD VIOLATIONS BY SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA GARMENT INDUSTRY CONTRACTORS, MANUFACTURERS (2023)
Leading retailers, customers benefit as workers struggle with wage theft
Based on data from more than 50 contractors and manufacturers, the 2022 Southern California Garment Survey released today by the department’s Wage and Hour Division found violations of the Fair Labor Standards Act in 80 percent of its investigations. More than 50 percent of the time, the division found employers illegally paying workers part or all their wages off the books, with payroll records either deliberately forged or not provided.
The fiscal year 2022 survey also found 32 percent of contractors paying garment workers piece-rate wages, a practice prohibited by the State of California on Jan. 1, 2022.
In a particularly egregious case, division investigators learned a contractor paid garment workers as little as $1.58 per hour.
Los Angeles is the center of US garment manufacturing. I don't know how it compares to imports, but nearly half of the garment workers in the entire United States are in the Los Angeles area, some 45,000 people.And what percentage of garments sold in the US are made in LA? I used to work in a huge garment distribution facility for Levi Strauss & Co and most if not all of the product was manufactured outside of the US. A lot of it came in from Central and South America. Remember not having the slaves is supposed to raise costs for the US consumer significantly, so there has to be a significant amount of garments made in LA and sold in the US for that to happen.
But aren't they in the process of eliminating slave wages?Los Angeles is the center of US garment manufacturing. I don't know how it compares to imports, but nearly half of the garment workers in the entire United States are in the Los Angeles area, some 45,000 people.
'Gillibrand’s FABRIC Act would protect nearly 100,000 American garment workers'
Levi's closed its last two US production sites in 2004.
No, I thought it was funny, especially considering how horrified conservatives are that children should learn anything real about human sexuality, then they show enlarged pictures of Hunter Biden on TV (during family viewing hours) having sex with a prostitute. I suppose they wouldn't have done it if Hunter had been having sex with a homosexual prostitute, .Oh, the horrors that a child might see a man's penis in a woman's locker room. But on TV? No prob.Ok that seems a strange thing to get all worked up over.
No, they did not. When it was first brought forward many suspected it might be, given the shady manner in which it was acquired.Didn't the Dems evidently claim Hunters laptop was all a Russian conspiracy. Is that right.
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