Great tribulation....Sabbath Test?

[OldStudent]

Check how many times the word "Sabbath is used post-cross, under the New Covenant, in the Epistles God instructed Paul to write to the new Gentile churches and get back to me.

It is unfortunate that there is an understanding, really a MISunderstanding of the New Covenant that Scripture didn't define. I recently researched the topic trying to let the Scriptures speak for themselves. What came to light is at least disconcerting to common understanding of New Covenant. I'm sorry but this will a bit long but much less than the 10,000+ words behind studies of Sabbath and New Covenant. Here are summary observations generally lifted from the covenant study:

The New Covenant has two facets:

First:
God took the pulpit of Sinai and began presenting elements of the covenant He wished to enter into with His people. He got through the 10 Commandments before being interrupted. Moses went up into the mount to receive the remainder. Upon his return he read it to the people. The people responded. "All the Lord has said we will do and be obedient" (Ex 24:3). Then the covenant was sealed with the sprinkling the blood of a sacrifice.

"All the Lord has said we will do and be obedient." This is the key weak point of the "Old Covenant." In fact, after ratifying their acceptance of the covenant Moses went back up into the mountain to receive more instruction. In less than 40 days the people had seriously breached several clauses of the covenant - even Aaron helped out then lamely deflected his involvement (Ex 32:22-24. shades of deflection heard in Eden). The next 850 years established firmly that their word of obedience was worthless and they were taken to Babylon where God hoped to initiate a restart.

Just before exile to Babylon God expressed this desire through Jeremiah: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people” Jeremiah 31:31-33. Thus the phrase “new covenant” is coined. The problem with the Old Covenant was not one of content but of application. The writer of Hebrews quotes this passage twice (Hebrews 8:10; 10:16) and works with the “old covenant/new covenant” idea rather extensively.

Let’s take a moment to look at the clauses God specifies in the New Covenant:
“I will put My law in their minds.” They will know and understand the law. They will understand what is expected of them. No new law. No new stipulations. What is currently available knowledge. And no hint of abridgment either.

“and write it on their hearts.” What is written on the heart is within - it becomes their nature. No struggle. No conflict. It is their nature. It’s just the way they are.

“and I will be their God.” Let’s look at two aspects of God being God.

First: He precedes and exceeds us in all things. Often when we refer to God it is in this fundamental position of His preeminence: His “none higher” position of power, authority, right of rule in personal or societal matters, He is the originator of all nature.

Second: God is god. When God is our god there is no higher love. There is nothing more important. There is no person, place, thing of higher value. There is no higher authority - no higher allegiance. There is no one and no thing drawing greater desire or greater interest from us. God wants to win - not demand or force - that position in the heart.

“and they shall be My people.” Again this is a desired position/relationship on the part of all parties in the covenant.

So heart contained love (and flowing from that heart natural behavior (obedience)) is the essence of the New Covenant. A good case can be made that what God expressed as a "new covenant" to Jeremiah was really His desire and intent all along at least as far back as the second commandment. At the time Jeremiah wrote He wanted and was hoping for a restart to try again and expressed how it WOULD work.

 

[OldStudent]

The second facet of New Covenant:

Matthew (26:28), Mark (14:24), Luke (22:20), and Paul (1 Corinthians 11:25) all relate the cup of wine at the Last Supper as reminiscent of His blood. His blood is the blood of the New Covenant. So these passages all witness of a “New Covenant.” So indeed we need to see what is “new” about the New Covenant as Jesus is here exposing.

The letter to the Hebrews is the definitive post-resurrection dissertation regarding the New Covenant. The first half (chapters 1-7) of the letter examines Jesus and identifies Him as High Priest. It is carefully developed that His qualification far exceeded that of Aaron and his offspring.

He then examines the role and limitations of the earthly tabernacle, its services, its priesthood (chapter 8-10). He points out that the earthly tabernacle was a shadow, a model of one in heaven - where Jesus went to serve on our behalf as our High Priest. His service in the heavenly tabernacle could indeed do everything the earthy sanctuary could only illustrate and look forward to.

The New Covenant was sealed with blood, a new type of blood - His blood, Divine blood conformed to human form. As the guilty party in the Sinai Covenant took the life of the select lamb, so we (Adam to us) took the life, shed the blood of the select Lamb. It is His blood and the fruit of His life that truly covers the cost of our sin and provides a springboard from which we can be recovered to new life in Him.

The New Covenant as expressed by Jesus and the Hebrews dissertation identifies this aspect of New Covenant as new in administration and refined in content. It is new in administration as the illustrative Aaronic priesthood was transferred to the "Melchizedek"/Messianic and ultimately functional priesthood of Jesus. It is refined in seeing the life of Jesus and hearing His approach to Divine expectations.

There is a particular point we need to see from chapter 9 verses 16-20: “For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, saying, ‘This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you.’” Notice the sequence - the presentation of the covenant THEN ratification with blood.

There is a common teaching that says something like this: “Under the New Covenant the Sabbath was fulfilled in Jesus. It was one of the ceremonial laws Jesus fulfilled and therefore is not binding on us.” When I was learning arithmetic skills in the early ‘60s we were taught how to check our answers by “casting out 9s” or running the numbers an alternate way. The writer of Hebrews provides a check on the “fulfilled and non-binding Sabbath” idea.

The writer of Hebrews makes use of common knowledge law that a testament goes into effect at the death of the testator. Recall that the tables of the law was called “the Testimony” (Exodus 25:16 et. al.). The blood then shed and applied pointed forward to the blood of THE Testator. The testator is free to alter his testament any time before his death. It becomes sealed (uneditable) at his death and then becomes executable. Jesus claimed to be lord of the Sabbath. It is His to deal with as He chose. We note how Jesus confirmed and expanded how to read the covenant terms already in place: “You have heard it said, but I say...” When it comes to the Sabbath we find that Jesus addressed it plainly, directly, multiple times and at times at significant risk to Himself and His ministry. He magnified and polished it (some details of this are reviewed in another study) as opposed to "fulfilling" and making it non-binding on us. When He died that element, along with the rest, was closed to any further edit and became binding - retroactive to Eden. Thus the "fulfilled and therefore is not binding on us" claim does not check out as correct.

I know, there are great holes in the record about Sabbath observance. We will likely have opportunity to look at those holes during the Millennium or later if it should interest us. I find the available evidence sufficient to consider it very unwise to not honor the Sabbath after the manner of Jesus.

 

[OldStudent]

Check how many times the word "Sabbath is used post-cross, under the New Covenant, in the Epistles God instructed Paul to write to the new Gentile churches and get back to me.

OK. Here I am. I will admit upfront at by the rules you lay out I can't provide a suitable answer. However, I will make some observations and see what comes of it. Remember, as a Christian, Christ is my primary authority. He refined, defended, and supported the Sabbath throughout His life and ministry. So it is my task to reconcile the writings of the epistles with Jesus - not Jesus with the epistles.

Acts 13 beginning at vs 13 Paul and his associates arrive in Antioch. On Sabbath he and his associates attend synagogue. The leaders read a few passages and asked for discussion. Paul stepped right up presenting a brief history review that lead to an introduction of Jesus. Jews and Gentiles were present. It is interesting that the Jews just left the service but the Gentiles begged them to stay so they could hear more the next Sabbath (vs 42). Almost the whole city showed up for that one. The Jews got cranky about it. Paul reminded them of God's plan, "I have set you as a light to the Gentiles, That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth" (Acts 13:46, 47; Isaiah 42:6, 49.6). Paul then turned his attention to the hunger of the Gentiles. What he is saying here is that the teaching, the wisdom, their knowledge of God's love, salvation they (the Jews) held, were to have made known and available to the Gentiles by the Jews. Paul makes the point that since they make themselves unfit in their rejection of Christ he was turning to the Gentiles and not with a new gospel but the one they were supposed to offer. Read carefully Romans 10 and 11. Paul expresses the debt Gentiles owe the Jews for salvation. Indeed, a new tree has not been planted but a branch has been grafted to the old root. Note that that branch is subject to quicker, harsher pruning than the old stock.

Acts 17 opens with Paul in Thessalonica "as his custom was" in the synagogue teaching of Jesus three Sabbaths running before things got too hot to handle.

In Acts 18 Paul is in Corinth where "he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks" (vs 4). In verse 6 we see that the Jews raised stiff opposition again so Paul turned to the Gentiles. According verse 11 he continued a year and a half. According to a chronological Bible I have this was about AD 52 - 20+ years after Jesus died.

Other incidents are seen in Acts 15:21 and 16:13.

If anything like a shift or addition in schedule to include the first day were to have happened it would only make sense for there to have been some comment about it. Some incidents were brief but an extended period is also noted. Luke was a careful recorder of events. If I missed such a change in schedule would you point me to it?

If you made it this far thanks for "listening." I hope there was food for thought. There are more aspects that could be brought to the Sabbath discussion. If all this verbiage can enhance faith in Jesus that is why the effort was put it. If not then this becomes "vain disputation" and I best go silent.

 

[ricker]

If you made it this far thanks for "listening." I hope there was food for thought. There are more aspects that could be brought to the Sabbath discussion. If all this verbiage can enhance faith in Jesus that is why the effort was put it. If not then this becomes "vain disputation" and I best go silent.

Thank you for your comprehensive answer! You out-did me by making it so long with so many points it is pretty hard to reply to without being really confusing. Suffice it to say some of your points are good, and some I think can be countered. I admire your devotion and willingness to share your thoughts, and consider you as a brother in Christ. God bless!

 

[OldStudent]

Ricker,
That was a lot to wade through and you made it! Some of that was heavy stuff.

I am telling people that during the 3rd Sabbath after the Second Coming look for me near the eastern trunk of the Tree of Life. Come by say "Hi." There will be plenty of time to chat later

Stay faithful.

 

[stinsonmarri]

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the Commandments of ELOHIM, and have the Testimony of YAHSHUA the MESSIAH. Rev 12:17 ​

The problem with SDA is they just the Sabbath is the test, but the Bible clearly says the Commandments and the Testimony of YAHSHUA is the one and only test. The Two Witness in Revelation is the Word of ELOHIM that will be called out during the Tribulation. The army of ELOHIM will do miraculous things as the wrath of indignation is poured out by both the FATHER and the LAMB. They will remind all to obey and this the test!​

Blessings,​

stinsonmarri

 

[OldStudent]

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the Commandments of ELOHIM, and have the Testimony of YAHSHUA the MESSIAH. Rev 12:17 ​

The problem with SDA is they just the Sabbath is the test, but the Bible clearly says the Commandments and the Testimony of YAHSHUA is the one and only test. The Two Witness in Revelation is the Word of ELOHIM that will be called out during the Tribulation. The army of ELOHIM will do miraculous things as the wrath of indignation is poured out by both the FATHER and the LAMB. They will remind all to obey and this the test!​

Blessings,​

stinsonmarri

You and I are about the same age. We came up through a black-and-white time in our church history. And yes we were heavy on Sabbath with numerous traditions, wear no metal, keep everything stifflingly covered, etc. etc. I was raised in conservative New England and was a quite well trained Pharisee. 15 of my 18 years of schooling were in the system (1 college public, 2 yrs of Nazarene college).

Fortunately I have discovered something that, somewhat like Saul/Paul, has set me to recast everything - God Is Love. When everything threads back to that ... my it's a differnent world, a different God, a new Gospel, a new service. No I haven't set aside the Law nor other needed parameters. It is a diagnosic tool for identifying my illness. If I refuse "treatment" then I will be allowed to die. The "new" (old as Eden) approach for me made things so much more understandable, applicable, senseable, even lovable.

As for tests? Cast your eyes over the parables of Jesus. Many of them have a pass/fail punch line. We could probably write a nice book shaping various facets of "the successful" life from such stories. There are numerous questions that can be used on "the test." Has anyone derived a concise statement of "the testimony of Jesus?" No, it is much more (maybe different) than EGW.

Excuse me for dumping on you. There is much more to me than Sabbath. But if you look at Revelation 14:6,7 Creation and Sabbath language will be strong just before His return and we need to be able to rightly handle it.

 

[jmer816]

They will be judged according to how they lived their lives: for God or against God. God knows their hearts and how they reacted to the light they recieved.

 

[LarryP2]

Any argument that Christians must keep any part of the Mosaic Law is just dishonest about the structure and implementation of the Old Testament law, and indicates a severe ignorance about its applications. There are 613 Commandments, all of which are equally important, and all of them must be kept. Or none of them. There is NO distinction in the Mosaic Law between "ritualistic" and "moral" law. Sabbattarian Christians conjure up that self-serving distinction purely out of convenience. They have picked a few of the 613 Commandments seemingly at random, based on the ones that happen to tickle their fancy. That is willfully dishonest to the intent of the Law.

If you were to approach an rabbinical expert on the Mosaic Law, and announce self-righteously that you are "keeping the Ten Commandments," they would look on you as though you are mentally deranged. Under Mosaic Law, there is no such a thing as the "Ten Commandments." What we know as the "Decalogue" is subsumed into the overall structure of the 613 Commandments. Judaism does not regard the "ten commandments" as anything particularly unique or special in relationship to the other 603 Commandments. They are merely ten among many other laws of equal importance.

Out of the mandatory 613 Mosaic laws, Sabbattarians pick and choose a tiny handful that happily coincide with their overall goals of preening self-righteousness over other Christians. They flatter themselves all too easily. If you understand the way the Mosaic law works, all they have merely done is make themselves looks bizarre and foolish. The Apostles repeatedly denounced such behavior as "Judaizing." The Apostles were experts on the Mosaic Law. Sabbattarians are not.

For Christians, Colossians 2:16-17 means what it says, and says what it means.

For Christians, the AD 50 Council of Jerusalem emphatically means what it says: Gentile Christians shall not be bound by the Mosaic law.

Any argument that the Sabbath is a memorial of Creation indicates an profound ignorance of the original Hebrew that both Genesis and Exodus were written in. The writer of the book of Genesis took great pains to make it clear that the Sabbath did not begin at the 7th day of Creation. Hebrew scholars have made that point absolutely clear. The Sabbath commandment was not given to the Children of Israel until at least a month after their delivery from Egyptian slavery. Meanwhile, they would have unintentionally broken the Sabbath at least four times during their crossing of the Sinai. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that anyone kept the Sabbath prior to Sinai. NONE!

Christians began worshiping on Sunday no later than 1 week after the Resurrection. Christ then Ascended on a Sunday. The Day of Pentecost, the Church's Birthday was on a Sunday. It would have been BIZARRE if the early Christians had continued to keep the Sabbath, given the impact those three events clearly would have had on them. Why were all the early Christians in one place on a Sunday when the Day of Pentecost took place? Because they had started doing so in honor of the Resurrection. By the Day of Pentecost, Sunday worship was an entrenched Christian custom.

The SDA argument that Constantine unilaterally destroyed the Sabbath has been forcibly disproven by their own Sabbath Expert, Samuelle Bachiochi.

The argument for keeping just one pet commandment out of the 613 simply denigrates the obvious meaning of the crucifixion, the Resurrection, the Ascension and the Day of Pentecost. It is a Salvation by Works theory of "Partial Atonement." It is an argument that one must keep the entirety of the Mosaic Law, because Christ's sacrifice is not enough. Fortunately for Christians, even Christians who keep the Sabbath aren't even CLOSE to meeting that burden.

If you want to keep the Sabbath and the rest of the laws and have an ounce of integrity, you must go through the full-scale conversion process to Judaism that is a mandatory pre-condition. It is extremely highly-unlikely any Sabbattarian Christian would do that. For an unconverted Gentile to keep the Sabbath is such a serious offense against God and a defilement against the Sabbath, an observant Jew is required the impose the Death Penalty!.

And how is it that SDAs flatter themselves by keeping only the 7th day Sabbath? There are MANY more Sabbaths under the Mosaic Law that must be kept as well. How convenient!

Christians who keep the Sabbath are as bizarre as if they suddenly developed a yen to sacrifice some animals in their backyard temple. Or kept the Feast of the New Moons.

 

[stinsonmarri]

Look the Sabbath test is a myth and it is not Biblical. Can someone please show how a day is marked on your forehead or hand? Everyone already keep Sunday it will not be the issue. The issue is given in Revelation and Daniel. The beast/man once a Catholic prodigy turn against his church. He receive his power from Satan also his seat of authority. Satan is only the prince of the air here. A prince still has to obey orders folk, why don't you all get this! Satan does not own any part of this earth and he does not live here. He comes here and some of his angels are allowed here. The Greek word Ge means soil or land mass. All worlds, moons, planets have land mass. EGW said YAHWEH showed her that words were changed in the Bible do you believe her or not? Well I do because it is in the Bible also. It does not make sense that YAHWEH would send evil angels to a perfect world!!! Learn men thinking in the Middle Ages that the earth was the center of the universe-hello! The Bible says that Satan and his evil angel were cast out into darkness and majority of them are lock down! Where is darkness-outer space hello! Angel with bottom less pit key will release them soon hello! Satan will take the beast to his place he is a deceiver, so it looks quite impressive hello! This beast is promise the earth, because Satan wants Heaven and the rest of the universe hello. The beast comes back with all of those evil powerful angel. He will hate the Catholic harlot and USA will aid him. They will form 10 new kings who will hate the harlot also. The people of the east will listen to him which include Russia, Iran, China and they will war with the papacy not YAHSHUA. This war is during the sixth Trumpet known as Armageddon, YAHSHUA comes during the seventh and final Trumpet hello! The beast has to get the papacy out of the way first and then he thinks he is going to war with YAHSHUA! Oh yeah Jerusalem/Babylon will he destroyed to make way for the the New Jerusalem. The Bible says that the brightening of HIS POWER will consume everyone but the beast and USA, the false prophet. They both will be cast into the Lake of Fire hello! Folk please read your Bibles and found out what words actually mean!

Happy Sabbath and blessings,

stinsonmarri

 

[ricker]

They will be judged according to how they lived their lives: for God or against God. God knows their hearts and how they reacted to the light they recieved.

I would really appreciate some Biblical backing for this statement.

To be more concise, where does the Bible say Christians are judged for salvation by how we live our lives, after taking into consideration our knowledge of "light" we have received?

 

[Jake1958]

What does the Bible say about a test that people have to live up to to be saved? If such an important test would exist, would it vary from generation to generation?

I'll cut to the chase. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus. Any other "test" dreamed up by man (or woman) is a deception.

I agree, it is by grace through faith in Christ alone. The just shall live by faith. Now if Christ continually convicts of the Sabbath, again, and again, and again. So what you're doing is rejecting the Christ of the Sabbath. Are you then living by faith in Christ alone?
No, because it all has been a mental assent to Christ, not a living faith.
Will millions be with Christ in the new heavens and earth who did not keep the Sabbath. Yes, but a simple statement of "by grace through faith in Christ alone" becomes a mantra to escape the deep reality of true faith in Christ. The devils believe and tremble.

 

[LarryP2]

I agree, it is by grace through faith in Christ alone. The just shall live by faith. Now if Christ continually convicts of the Sabbath, again, and again, and again. So what you're doing is rejecting the Christ of the Sabbath. Are you then living by faith in Christ alone?
No, because it all has been a mental assent to Christ, not a living faith.
Will millions be with Christ in the new heavens and earth who did not keep the Sabbath. Yes, but a simple statement of "by grace through faith in Christ alone" becomes a mantra to escape the deep reality of true faith in Christ. The devils believe and tremble.

So it is a good thing that First and Century Christian church Fathers unequivocally renounced Sabbath Keeping as an anti-Christian heresy, denouncing it as part of the "Judaizing" and "Ebionite" heresies. Their attitude against the Sabbath Keeping heresy clearly came straight from the mouths of the Apostles Peter and John. Christianity and Sabbath Keeping simply do not mix. This has been known for 2,000 years now.

 

[Jake1958]

Galatians 3 gives us a great insight pertaining to the law, and which law is being spoken, ceremonial or moral?

Verse 19 reads, "For I through the law am DEAD to the law, that I might live unto God." The ceremonial law never in itself had power to slay anyone. Paul cannot be slain by a law that for years had no existence in God's eyes. Verse 19 must be referring to the moral law, "am dead to the law." "I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and i DIED. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death" (Romans 7:9, 10).

We have established that the MORAL LAW is being spoken in Galatians.

Now, please follow the thought, it will be clear, if we follow line upon line:

Galatians 3:16--"Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to your Seed,' who is Christ."

Verse 18--"For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise."

It is obvious the PROMISE is the INHERITANCE, and it's with Abraham and his Seed--Christ. Therefore, Abraham and Christ receive the promise together, which is the new earth made new (Romans 4:13;Acts 7:5).

That means the law ADDED (spoken, Deut. 5:22;Heb. 12:19) was because of transgression, TILL THE SEED SHOULD COME to whom the promise was made" (vs. 19).

Is Till THE SEED SHOULD COME speaking of Christ's 1st coming? NO, it cannot be since Abraham received no inheritance (Acts 7:5), neither did Christ. He became sin for us, who knew no sin. He received the cross! no inheritance.

Therefore, pertaining to the law, it is still being spoken to every soul on this planet "TILL THE SEED SHOULD COME" and collect His inheritance, along with Abraham and those who faith as he did.

The promise of the inheritance is fulfilled when the Seed comes, so the law remains in full force till Christ's second coming when it will be in everyone's heart who believes.

Should we void God's law? God forbid, establish it, TILL THE SEED SHOULD COME. Remember, Paul is looking forward to the inheritance with Christ and Abraham. There is no inheritance in Christ's first coming! it's in the future, for we are strangers and pilgrims traveling through.

Gal. 3:20--"Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not…"

Rev. 14:12-- Why is PATIENCE needed for the saints who have the commandments and the faith of Jesus? Because, "He shall speak pompous words against the Most High. Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law" (Daniel 7:25)

How many commandments have to do with time? Just one, the Sabbath commandment.

Catechism of the Catholic Church; 1994 Edition. It is the first fully revised & updated edition of the official catechism since 1566.
--“in respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the churches holy days as ‘legal holidays.’” Par. 2188.

Dies Domini, Pope John Paul II (1998):
--“Therefore, also in the particular circumstances of our own time, Christians will naturally strive to ensure that ‘civil legislation’ respects their duty to keep Sunday holy.”

There will be a worldwide SUNDAY LAW, and I grew up going to SUNDAY SCHOOL! Oh, the traditions of men, may I give up self and die daily to the cross of Calvary. The Just Shall Live By FAITH. And Oh dear Jesus, thank you for writing your law in my heart! By faith I believe it. If ye love me, keep my commandments. Now why would I not want to follow Christ's example? I delight in Thy law O God!

 

[Jake1958]

So it is a good thing that First and Century Christian church Fathers unequivocally renounced Sabbath Keeping as an anti-Christian heresy, denouncing it as part of the "Judaizing" and "Ebionite" heresies. Their attitude against the Sabbath Keeping heresy clearly came straight from the mouths of the Apostles Peter and John. Christianity and Sabbath Keeping simply do not mix. This has been known for 2,000 years now.

That's fine, then I may covet, have idols, dishonor my father and mother, kill, lie, commit adultery, except keeping the commandment to Remember the Sabbath (because we have forgotten), is now heresy. It's God's Sabbath, MY holy day. Never did He call it a Jewish Sabbath. Since the very great majority of the Bible authors are Jewish, we should probably call it the "Jewish Bible", Jewish plan of salvation, the Jewish gospel.

Please, go kill someone, after all, it's in God's decalogue, it no longer matters.

Now that's insanity, but that is exactly what you're telling me. Christ kept the Sabbath, I'll follow His example. You're saying, don't follow Christ's example. Christ was baptized to fulfill all righteousness. Do you believe in baptism? Not for salvation, but to follow Christ's example. Christ fulfilled the law, do you now say, "away with the law?" Or do you say, "I'll follow His example (Romans 8:1-4).

 

[LarryP2]

That's fine, then I may covet, have idols, dishonor my father and mother, kill, lie, commit adultery, except keeping the commandment to Remember the Sabbath (because we have forgotten), is now heresy. \

No you can't covet and all that. As a non-Jew, you are covered by the Noahide laws. There is a thread over in the "Sabbath and the Law" section called Noahide Law.

Ellen White's most insanely ludicrous idea was that everybody would go out and kill, lie commit adultery etc without the Ten Commandments, when the Noahide law already prohibited such things 100's of years before Sinai. I have also analyzed the Decree of Jerusalem in light of Acts 15 in conjunction with the "Laws of Moses" in a three part discussion in that same area.