Gravity - is it really there?

Freodin · Jul 24, 2021

chilehed said:
Because weight is the result of gravititional attraction, and with no gravity there is no weight. My point exactly, which is why "very nearly directly" is a good descriptor.

Sorry, but that is incorrect. You could achive an effect like "weight" without gravity. The idea of "artificial gravity" by rotation in space stations is, for example, based on that.

It would, of course, contradict the claim of the gravity-denying flat-earthers that the earth in unmoving. But I seriously have no idea of how they justify their views beyond conjecture.

Still, you should understand that the simply claim of "x is the result of y, so y exists" isn't "proof", if you cannot demonstrate this causal relation.

Freodin · Jul 24, 2021

JohnEmmett said:
I do not know.

Now that seems very unplanning to me. If you cannot justify your expectations, how do you assume to give them to others?

That alone should give you pause in your attempts to tell atheists that they are wrong.

JohnEmmett · Jul 24, 2021

Freodin said:
That alone should give you pause in your attempts to tell atheists that they are wrong.

…

Ponderous Curmudgeon · Jul 24, 2021

Freodin said:
Then why are you here, in our "lower realm"?

Hasn't sold enough cell phone covers.

Ponderous Curmudgeon · Jul 24, 2021

chilehed said:
I'm aware of that, yes.

Because weight is the result of gravititional attraction, and with no gravity there is no weight. My point exactly, which is why "very nearly directly" is a good descriptor.

Gravity deniers... I had no idea that there could be people even less reasonable than flat-earthers.

You have deny gravity or at least mass to have a flat earth otherwise things would be attracted to the center of mass. no it doesn't work anyhow.

Freodin · Jul 24, 2021

Ponderous Curmudgeon said:
You have deny gravity or at least mass to have a flat earth otherwise things would be attracted to the center of mass. no it doesn't work anyhow.

Yes, that is what they deny. If you go back several posts, you will find exactly that position:
Gravity - is it really there?

That is what we are discussing here. So just saying "it does, because if it didn't, it wouldn't" isn't going to solve the dilemma.

Hans Blaster · Jul 24, 2021

JohnEmmett said:
I accept Christianity mostly.

And edit my spelling/typography without notification.

Ponderous Curmudgeon · Jul 24, 2021

Freodin said:
Yes, that is what they deny. If you go back several posts, you will find exactly that position:
Gravity - is it really there?

That is what we are discussing here. So just saying "it does, because if it didn't, it wouldn't" isn't going to solve the dilemma.

Well I was going to posit point source magnetism with directionality, just to see where he would go, but I have seen the arguments before and none of them hold anything. have fun.

Petros2015 · Jul 24, 2021

JohnEmmett said:
The afterlife is real. But atheists only "plan" for death. This cancels spiritual potential.

"What is the sound of one life reincarnating?"

Yttrium · Jul 24, 2021

Petros2015 said:
"What is the sound of one life reincarnating?"

"Oh no, not again."

Petros2015 · Jul 24, 2021

Yttrium said:
"Oh no, not again."

Why is it that I have a feeling somewhere there is a kid popping another quarter into Mario Brothers trying to beat the next level?

Petros2015 · Jul 24, 2021

On the topic of Gravity, I would say this -

Humans were given 10 commandments in the Old Testament,
I think during Creation, Matter was given some commandments as well.

Matter is just better at keeping them than we are.

(Thank God!)

Ten Commandments Given
Once the Light was Let to Be
Mass Attracts to Mass
Coefficient of Gravity...
F to equal M*A
Time to pass and See
What would form from the Seed
Sown by Trinity...

Ponderous Curmudgeon · Jul 24, 2021

Petros2015 said:
Why is it that I have a feeling somewhere there is a kid popping another quarter into Mario Brothers trying to beat the next level?

We have seen, I see a kid in bio lab saying look what I made.

Ophiolite · Jul 25, 2021

JohnEmmett said:
The beginning cannot be discovered.

Nor the end to your bizarre posting content.

JohnEmmett said:
The lower realms are the only destiny of atheists.

This is the danger.

I guess I should avoid speleology.

JohnEmmett said:
I met a ghost once.

I think this profoundly affected my view.

I've met ghosts twice. They profoundly confirmed my rejection of the supernatural and affirmed natural explanations as the parsimonious explanation for most alleged supernatural events.

chilehed said:
Gravity deniers... I had no idea that there could be people even less reasonable than flat-earthers.

It is suprising. The last thing you would expect from Gravity Denial is that it would be attractive!

JohnEmmett · Jul 25, 2021

Ophiolite said:
I've met ghosts twice. They profoundly confirmed my rejection of the supernatural …

I was not alone. All of us knew she was a ghost.

Ophiolite · Jul 25, 2021

JohnEmmett said:
I was not alone. All of us knew she was a ghost.

How did you know? What alternative explanations did you explore? How did you eliminate the possibility that your colleagues were hoaxing you? Etc.

JohnEmmett · Jul 25, 2021

when I was young, I met a ghost, with several others…

we were gathered in a field, near an abandoned house…

she was suddenly among us, spoke to us, then she vanished…

three decades later, I heard she was haunting a house…

the same description of the ghost…

when I heard, that confirmed what we suspected about her

~

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jul 25, 2021

chilehed said:
Gravity deniers... I had no idea that there could be people even less reasonable than flat-earthers.

I think it was supposed to be a 'turn-the-tables' analogy for God-denying atheists.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jul 25, 2021

JohnEmmett said:
We stood near the ruins of a house. Behind us was an open field.

From the field the girl came. (None saw her.)

All of us… never saw this girl before.

And we noticed her odd clothes. A faded purple dress of cotton and lace.

Her hair was not dirty… nor clean. At her shoulders…

She talked with us for a moment.

Because she suddenly vanished, we concluded this girl was a ghost.

Thirty years later I hear of a haunted house. Same description of the girl.

They since moved…

~

Cool story 'bro.

JohnEmmett · Jul 25, 2021

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Cool story 'bro.

True story.

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