Gravity - is it really there?

Larniavc · Jul 14, 2021

HenchWill said:
I think as astronauts experience zero gravity it is quite obvious the further we get from the devil, the less we feel him pulling us to the darkness

Not being under a gravitational pull makes people very sick in very little time so I’m not sure your suggestion holds water.

d taylor · Jul 14, 2021

HenchWill said:
I think as astronauts experience zero gravity it is quite obvious the further we get from the devil, the less we feel him pulling us to the darkness

NASA, SpaceX, & ESA Astronauts
Dropping Objects Aboard ISS.
The inflatable earth globe drops at 5:15

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jul 14, 2021

Susanna Jackson said:
Open your mind to the impossible and God will reward you!

Before or after your brains fall out?

Ophiolite · Jul 14, 2021

CWalsh2468 said:
I am a first time poster so please bear with me! I have always been suspicious of the, seemingly, blind assumption that there is a magical force forcing us down to the Earth - surely there is a greater power at play here?

well, the only thing wrong with that is your suspicions are not supported by fact. The problem lies with your choice of three words:

blind
assumption
magical

There are no assumptions associated with the scientific study of gravity that have not been rigorously tested, other than the provisional observation that the universe seems to behave in a consistent way and this consistent way can be studied by the scientific method. Some people want to call that an assumption, but that rather stretching the definition to do so.
Certainly there is nothing blind about any aspect of the scientific study of gravity.
Gravity is undoubtedly a remarkable phenomenon and it might be poetically described as magical. but that's not science.
Also, gravity does not force us down to Earth, it pulls us down to Earth, unless you are a helium balloon.
As to your other observation others have observed that they are not related to science, which is what this sub-forum is for.

Still, welcome to the forum.

Yttrium · Jul 16, 2021

CWalsh2468 said:
I am a first time poster so please bear with me! I have always been suspicious of the, seemingly, blind assumption that there is a magical force forcing us down to the Earth - surely there is a greater power at play here?

May this be the devil's will trying to bring us to the darkness? God's might keeping us above ground and, ultimately, winning the battle of good and evil.

What do you think?

Well, here's the thing. If I drop an object, it falls to the ground. If I jump up, I drop back to the ground. Something is pulling us down. Might be some invisible natural force, might be God, whatever.

But objects in space pull towards each other too. And objects pull toward each other consistently. So consistently that we can mathematically predict the motions of objects due to this pull. Works all the time.

We call this pull gravity. If God does it, we can still call it gravity.

d taylor · Jul 16, 2021

There is no force, if any force is work on the earth it is magnetism.

If there is a force call gravity, it is mighty selective in what it chooses to pull or push to earth. It seems like heavier objects are this imaginary forces preference for pulling or pushing to earth.

Aryeh Jay · Jul 16, 2021

There was some kind of gravity that attracted 4 new posters, 3 from the UK and 1 from Sweden, to all join, post 2-6 times, and disappear within an hour or so.

Ophiolite · Jul 16, 2021

Aryeh Jay said:
There was some kind of gravity that attracted 4 new posters, 3 from the UK and 1 from Sweden, to all join, post 2-6 times, and disappear within an hour or so.

Perhaps they found that posts in the thread lacked sufficient gravitas.

Yttrium · Jul 16, 2021

d taylor said:
There is no force, if any force is work on the earth it is magnetism.

If there is a force call gravity, it is mighty selective in what it chooses to pull or push to earth. It seems like heavier objects are this imaginary forces preference for pulling or pushing to earth.

Nope. Not selective at all. If it has mass, it has gravity. The more mass, the more gravity.

This is one of the most basic concepts in physics. High school physics stuff.

JohnEmmett · Jul 16, 2021

Yttrium said:
High school physics stuff.

but we don't really understand gravity

this discussion is no answer

d taylor · Jul 16, 2021

Yttrium said:
Nope. Not selective at all. If it has mass, it has gravity. The more mass, the more gravity.

This is one of the most basic concepts in physics. High school physics stuff.

I left that indoctrination (science as pertains to God's creation) long ago.

Yttrium · Jul 16, 2021

JohnEmmett said:
but we don't really understand gravity

this discussion is no answer

No, we don't understand it. We can describe the effects, and accurately predict motion due to gravity, but we don't know why mass has gravity.

If people want to say that gravity is God, I have no problem with that. But if gravity is God, then God is being very consistent with pulling things around. So consistent that we can call the pull "gravity" and describe its effects.

I'm not a Naturalist. I don't need gravity to have a natural origin. I'd like to find out for sure what the origin is, but I'm not one to jump to conclusions.

JohnEmmett · Jul 16, 2021

d taylor said:
I left that indoctrination (science as pertains to God's creation) long ago.

hence you think the earth is flat?

JohnEmmett · Jul 16, 2021

Yttrium said:
I don't need gravity to have a natural origin. I'd like to find out for sure what the origin is, but I'm not one to jump to conclusions.

mass should have gravity

hence it does, somehow

Yttrium · Jul 16, 2021

d taylor said:
I left that indoctrination (science as pertains to God's creation) long ago.

And so your arguments against science are meaningless, since you have no understanding of even the most basic scientific principles. You literally don't know what you're arguing against.

Ponderous Curmudgeon · Jul 16, 2021

JohnEmmett said:
hence you think the earth is flat?

Are you questioning d taylor's faith?

d taylor · Jul 16, 2021

Yttrium said:
And so your arguments against science are meaningless, since you have no understanding of even the most basic scientific principles. You literally don't know what you're arguing against.

I know what i am arguing against, quite a few science lies.

d taylor · Jul 16, 2021

JohnEmmett said:
hence you think the earth is flat?

correct and stationary.

coffee4u · Jul 16, 2021

CWalsh2468 said:
I am a first time poster so please bear with me! I have always been suspicious of the, seemingly, blind assumption that there is a magical force forcing us down to the Earth - surely there is a greater power at play here?

May this be the devil's will trying to bring us to the darkness? God's might keeping us above ground and, ultimately, winning the battle of good and evil.

What do you think?

Of course there is a greater power, he is called God. God created the earth and made gravity.
Genesis 1:31
God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.
Would hardly be a good creation if all he created simply floated away.

JohnEmmett · Jul 16, 2021

Ponderous Curmudgeon said:
Are you questioning d taylor's faith?

belief…

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