Proof that I become less sober minded than before on one wine cooler or that everyone is less sober minded drinking one alcoholic drink?
With a realistic definition of moderation, which meets a Biblical standard, that research has already been presented. You are defining alcohol as a poison. My questions were directed beyond alcohol to poisons
in general. What is the difference between 'tolerance' and 'immunity'? Does a person who drinks a glass of wine or wine cooler as noted above, experience the same effects as say a teenager trying wine for the first time? How is it that you are even defining sober minded for everyone? If someone is too overly concerned with the things of this world to hear from the Spirit, are they sober minded?
We have no knowledge whatsoever that Jesus and the apostles had complete access to, aka the knowledge of God, which did not lead them on a zealous crusade to convince their converts to anWe have knowledge today that we did not have back then.
If we know that alcohol defiles us and we drink anyways, then we are drinking even when our conscience condemns us (Which is not good).
Very laudable sentiments. However one's personal feelings about alcoholic beverages is not and should not be cause to try to force others to think as they do or force others to abstain because they do.I remember when my wife (my fiancé at the time), asked me to stop drinking alcohol because her Uncle destroyed his life with alcohol. We went on a date at a fancy Italian restaurant and she did not drink before meeting me. Afterwards (About a week later): She said she did not like the way the wine with the meal made her feel out of control, and it reminded her of her Uncle. When she asked me to stop (over the phone), I was initially upset and angry. Then I stopped myself and said to myself, “What is more important?” The girl or the drink that you barely touch every year?” I obviously answered, “the girl.” She was more important to me than some beverage.
But the thing is that why was I mad? It's because there is controlling spirit behind alcohol. It's why they are called “spirits.” The enemy is seeking to destroy us and to not be sober minded. He does not want us to think clearly. Alcohol muddles your thinking and makes you to lose control. God wants us to take control in following Him.
You speak of things that you have found to be right for you as if that should be for all, without respect of personal liberty, or trust in the Holy Spirit to direct them to the place they need to be now, or in the future. Thank you for sharing your testimony. Your rules I can do without.Your asking questions from the viewpoint that is not based on any factual evidence. You are asking only with the hope that you might be right. Again, try researching the bad effects of alcohol with even moderate use.
I remember when my wife (my fiancé at the time), asked me to stop drinking alcohol because her Uncle destroyed his life with alcohol. We went on a date at a fancy Italian restaurant and she did not drink before meeting me. Afterwards (About a week later): She said she did not like the way the wine with the meal made her feel out of control, and it reminded her of her Uncle. When she asked me to stop (over the phone), I was initially upset and angry. Then I stopped myself and said to myself, “What is more important?” The girl or the drink that you barely touch every year?” I obviously answered, “the girl.” She was more important to me than some beverage.
But the thing is that why was I mad? It's because there is controlling spirit behind alcohol. It's why they are called “spirits.” The enemy is seeking to destroy us and to not be sober minded. He does not want us to think clearly. Alcohol muddles your thinking and makes you to lose control. God wants us to take control in following Him.
Try reading up on drinking and driving at official government websites. They say even a little bit of alcohol effects or impairs your judgment while driving. They say that your reaction time is slowed.
The word translated "sober" in "sober minded" has nothing to do with being/not being intoxicated.No. It is not up to them to decide how much to drink. The Bible makes it clear that we are not to get drunk, and wines back then were like your wine cooler in regards to alcoholic content. That does not mean God does not want us to answer the higher calling and to abstain altogether. We are commanded to be sober minded. The moment we drink alcohol, we are less sober minded then we were before. God calls us to obey. I believe alcohol is one of things that we will eventually put out of our lives as we mature in Christ.
You speak of things that you have found to be right for you as if that should be for all, without respect of personal liberty, or trust in the Holy Spirit to direct them to the place they need to be now, or in the future. Thank you for sharing your testimony. Your rules I can do without.
The word translated "sober" in "sober minded" has nothing to do with being/not being intoxicated.
G4993 σωφρονέω sōphroneō
Thayer Definition:
1) to be of sound mind
1a) to be in one’s right mind
1b) to exercise self control
1b1) to put a moderate estimate upon one’s self, think of one’s self soberly
1b2) to curb one’s passions
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4998
Citing in TDNT: 7:1097, 1150
The burden of proof is on you to support your claims about "the bad effects of alcohol with even moderate use."Your asking questions from the viewpoint that is not based on any factual evidence. You are asking only with the hope that you might be right. Again, try researching the bad effects of alcohol with even moderate use.
I am speaking on scriptural evidence as well as personal experience. You have had no impact on my conscience with all your facts and figures and personal opinions. I don't drink anymore, I don't do a lot of things anymore, because the Holy Spirit gave me new desires to replace old carnal things.Your asking questions from the viewpoint that is not based on any factual evidence.
Wrong again. You have a penchant for making claims you can't back up.Certain definitions you gave actually contradict what you just said.
Really! Not even a little personal opinion? A little personal testimony that you are trying to place on all.Any or all rules come from God and not me.
I completely reviewed that chapter and the actual meaning of 'defiling the temple' on this thread yesterday, and reposted the response as a thread. Weren't you paying attention? Why should anyone pay attention to you, when you take something out of context and try to apply it to something that "goes into the mouth, and not what comes out of the mouth". You are now contradicting the Lord's teaching on what defiles a man, while misleading others on what Paul was teaching concerning The Temple.Do you not know that the Bible says to not defile the temple in 1 Corinthians 3?
If you are over a certain blood alcohol level, yes I agree with that statement. However, that point at which people become impaired varies.
I can drink one wine cooler, and I am still sober minded. There is no loss of reaction time at all.
You said:Can you prove that for all people one wine cooler impairs their ability to drive?
You said:One thing you also need to remember is that I am an EMT and we have classes on these things. Blood alcohol levels is something we have to learn.
Why not do the research on the harm that alcohol does to the body on moderate use?
Wrong again. You have a penchant for making claims you can't back up.
Just did, here is what I found:
Science around Moderate Alcohol Consumption
From here: Facts about moderate drinking | CDC.
- For some conditions, such as certain types of cancer (e.g., breast cancer) and liver disease, there is no known safe level of alcohol consumption.2,3
- Although past studies have indicated that moderate alcohol consumption has protective health benefits (e.g., reducing risk of heart disease), recent studies show this may not be true.6-10 While some studies have found improved health outcomes among moderate drinkers, it’s impossible to conclude whether these improved outcomes are due to moderate alcohol consumption or other differences in behaviors or genetics between people who drink moderately and people who don’t.6-10
- Most U.S. adults who drink don’t drink every day.11 That’s why it’s important to focus on the amount people drink on the days that they drink.
- Drinking at levels above the moderate drinking guidelines significantly increases the risk of short-term harms, such as injuries, as well as the risk of long-term chronic health problems, such as some types of cancer.
You notice it says on the last point, "Drinking at levels above the moderate drinking guidelines significantly increases, etc...
So what were you saying about moderate drinking?
Really! Not even a little personal opinion? A little personal testimony that you are trying to place on all.
You said:I completely reviewed that chapter and the actual meaning of 'defiling the temple' on this thread yesterday, and reposted the response as a thread. Weren't you paying attention? Why should anyone pay attention to you, when you take something out of context and try to apply it to something that "goes into the mouth, and not what comes out of the mouth". You are now contradicting the Lord's teaching on what defiles a man, while misleading others on what Paul was teaching concerning The Temple.
Yes, there is a loss of reaction time. You may think there is none, but it does exist. Try talking to a police officer or read up on a government website.
You may be able to drive and feel normal, but your reaction time is slowed.
That's great, but you probably did not pay attention to the part that says that your reaction time is slowed even with a little bit of alcohol or a beverage with low alcoholic content.
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