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why is somehow the US always in trouble.."evil" all the while, israel is under the curse of the law, gal 3;10, and amearica is under the blessing of abraham, because there are countless children of abraham in the US, because they believed, all the while israel does not. So why is america wrong?

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.


Oh yeah, and before the Lord returns, the tribulation will come upon the whole world, not just the U.S.
 
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But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.


Oh yeah, and before the Lord returns, the tribulation will come upon the whole world, not just the U.S.

29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

in christ, or under a curse, that is a fact. Not in Abraham, not in the blessing.
 
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29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

in christ, or under a curse, that is a fact. Not in Abraham, not in the blessing.
What is this?
Outer darkness for children of the kingdom & unprofitable servants, no time limit given.

10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled , and said to them that followed , Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away , and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given , and he shall have abundance : but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath . 30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Demons a time of torment maybe with Satan during the 1,000 years.
28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils , coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. 29 And, behold , they cried out , saying , What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Then the nations that despised his brethren.
Everlasting fire for these.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed , into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
And what about this?
And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly
Looks like different strokes for different folks.
Let us judge nothing before it is time.:)


 
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Checkout this book Great Britain and The United States in prophecy.

Booklets | Tomorrow's World | www.tomorrowsworld.org
It's not that long and shows how the blessings of Jacob on his two grandsons ( Ephraim & Manasseh ) are now seen.

Well, Iv'e just finished reading it, luckily I'm not working yet and I have time. It was a good general barebones analysis of what has happened to the ancient tribes of Israel. I do agree that Joseph is England and America put together. But when you separate the land between Manasseh and Ephraim it is the opposite to what was written in the above article.

Manasseh is the oldest son of Joseph and so he must take his father's place. Joseph is the 11th son of Israel so therefore Manasseh's number as oldest son becomes 11. Ephraim is destined to become more powerful and to be composed of a "multitude of nations." Ephraim, because his uncle Benjamin was already holding the place as the "12th" tribe of Israel, had to become the "13th tribe." So this is the actual Biblical significance of the United States of America having 13 collonies. And the US Dollar Bill is covered in numbers of 13s. And it is called "United States" because it is a "company of nations."

There is much more to this and many more types of examples showing that America is Ephraim. But up until the year 2000AD this information was "sealed" and therefore readable but non-understandable.
 
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29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

in christ, or under a curse, that is a fact. Not in Abraham, not in the blessing.

Actually it's ---- in Messiah, following the Messiah, keeping the Teachings of the Messiah, and obeying the will of God.

You can't claim the Yeshua as your Savior without making Him your Lord.
Think about that for a second.
Yes He's your Savior, but He must also be the Lord of your life.
You can't live by your own rules anymore, you follow His. It's that simple.
That's what ALL the early believers did.
That's what ALL His followers did.

In fact that's exactly what He says:
Before you throw these verses away, read them with an open and humble mind and try to understand what they're saying. Tell me if you don't see obedience to God's Will and His Word as necessary for a believer's walk.

John 3:36
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

Matthew 12:50
"For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother."
 
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Well, Iv'e just finished reading it, luckily I'm not working yet and I have time. It was a good general barebones analysis of what has happened to the ancient tribes of Israel. I do agree that Joseph is England and America put together. But when you separate the land between Manasseh and Ephraim it is the opposite to what was written in the above article.

Manasseh is the oldest son of Joseph and so he must take his father's place. Joseph is the 11th son of Israel so therefore Manasseh's number as oldest son becomes 11. Ephraim is destined to become more powerful and to be composed of a "multitude of nations." Ephraim, because his uncle Benjamin was already holding the place as the "12th" tribe of Israel, had to become the "13th tribe." So this is the actual Biblical significance of the United States of America having 13 collonies. And the US Dollar Bill is covered in numbers of 13s. And it is called "United States" because it is a "company of nations."

There is much more to this and many more types of examples showing that America is Ephraim. But up until the year 2000AD this information was "sealed" and therefore readable but non-understandable.
While I dont go along with everything those folks have to say.
I'm thinkin' that the U.S. is more likely Manasseh.
As Jacob crossed his hands and set Ephraim " before" Manasseh.
The U.S. is one nation under God.
Britain became a commonwealth of "nations".
I hadn't really thought about it before, but that would mean there has been 13 tribes here for quite sometime.
And it would seem Dan screwed up his birthright, Rev 7, Dan is replaced by Manasses
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed : and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
 
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What is this?
Outer darkness for children of the kingdom & unprofitable servants, no time limit given.

10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled , and said to them that followed , Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away , and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given , and he shall have abundance : but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath . 30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Demons a time of torment maybe with Satan during the 1,000 years.
28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils , coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. 29 And, behold , they cried out , saying , What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Then the nations that despised his brethren.
Everlasting fire for these.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed , into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
And what about this?
And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly
Looks like different strokes for different folks.
Let us judge nothing before it is time.:)



sorry..but since they were in the blessing of Abraham then, as now, then that means they were in the curse, then and now, that is just a proper approach to scripture.


look..blessed in the Abrahamic gospel, cursed under the the Mosaic law. They are not seeds by flesh, read Rom 9.


Gal 3:9” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.


10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
 
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While I dont go along with everything those folks have to say.
I'm thinkin' that the U.S. is more likely Manasseh.
As Jacob crossed his hands and set Ephraim " before" Manasseh.
The U.S. is one nation under God.
Britain became a commonwealth of "nations".
I hadn't really thought about it before, but that would mean there has been 13 tribes here for quite sometime.
And it would seem Dan screwed up his birthright, Rev 7, Dan is replaced by Manasses
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed : and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Dan isn't replaced by Manasseh. Dan and Ephraim are "not sealed." This means today that they are not sealed geographically from other than Christian Cultures. All of Europe is sealed along with England, Canada, Australia and N.Z. But Ephraim/America and Dan/Russia have common geographical borders with non Christian cultures which are leaking extensivelly today. This is what the meaning of "sealed" is in Rev.7

Yes, when he crossed his hands he forecast that Ephraim/America, which is the youngest country/son, would be the greatest. England was great number one. But now during the time of the end it is America with it's woman on the waters/statue of liberty who has become the greatest that the world has ever seen. They sent a man to the moon. They nuclear bombed the rest of the world to acknowledge their military supremecy. They hover obove all countries of the world with drones and missles.Rev.13;13 They control the "image of the beast" which is shown on TV. There is none and has never been such a great nation as the regenerated tribe of Ephraim. But his gloomy forecasts are in Hosea.
 
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Gal 3:9” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

So then "IN THE KINGDOM" will be the faithful.
The faithful flesh Israel aka Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the cloud of witnesses. Also those faithful in Christ, Jew and Gentile.

Unfaithful flesh Israel and lazy, unprofitable, christians, outer darkness.
We do not know how long.
After the 1,000 years in outer darkness, they may be allowed to hit the mercy seat and repent. These things we do not know.
I'm in no way disagreeing with you on who God's children are.
Careful though who you may be so quickly damning forever, before it is time.
 
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Dan isn't replaced by Manasseh. Dan and Ephraim are "not sealed." This means today that they are not sealed geographically from other than Christian Cultures. All of Europe is sealed along with England, Canada, Australia and N.Z. But Ephraim/America and Dan/Russia have common geographical borders with non Christian cultures which are leaking extensivelly today. This is what the meaning of "sealed" is in Rev.7

Yes, when he crossed his hands he forecast that Ephraim/America, which is the youngest country/son, would be the greatest. England was great number one. But now during the time of the end it is America with it's woman on the waters/statue of liberty who has become the greatest that the world has ever seen. They sent a man to the moon. They nuclear bombed the rest of the world to acknowledge their military supremecy. They hover obove all countries of the world with drones and missles.Rev.13;13 They control the "image of the beast" which is shown on TV. There is none and has never been such a great nation as the regenerated tribe of Ephraim. But his gloomy forecasts are in Hosea.

I'm interested, where yuh gettin' yer info from?
Although as you alluded earlier,Joseph is the two grandsons.
But they are sealed.

Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand.
Ezekiel 37:19 KJV

Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
 
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I'm interested, where yuh gettin' yer info from?
Although as you alluded earlier,Joseph is the two grandsons.
But they are sealed.

Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand.
Ezekiel 37:19 KJV

Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.


This above verse describes "the regeneration" which Jesus forecast in Matt.19;28 It is the 7th millennium when the Christian Covenant will have it's promised rest just as the Old Testament Covenant had theirs in Canaan.

The "stick of Joseph" means all of the 12 tribes, just as in Genesis Joseph dreamt that everyone bowed down to him. Gen.37;10 This verse of Eze.37;19 speaks about when the 12 tribes will be re-united by using Joseph's English language for the re-generation. The single lineage from Adam until Israel was 22 generations. Then it was branched into his twelve sons. The forecast for Joseph was to re-uite these twelve lineages back into one Israel for the regeneration which is the first resurrection. It began in 2000AD.

It tells us that at this time the power and the "stick of Joseph" will be in the hand of Ephraim." Ephraim is America and today they are administering world politics even on behalf of his eleven brothers. America is the policeman of the world, it represents the concerns of the Christian 1st world. This is what is meant by this verse.

Ephraim is not sealed in for the Millennium because he is the 13th tribe. He will not be part of the millennium areas. Therefore all must flee back to their homelands in Christian Cultured Europe just as the Israelites of the Old Testament needed to flee from Egypt. And they did not want to but took convincing.

Matthew 19;28 and Lk.22;30 tell us there will be "12 thrones." This means 12 soviergn nations which are today composing the E.U. It is sealed around by water. Ephraim/America is not sealed because of Mexico. America being Ephraim of Rachel is supposed to have a cross on it's flag. All of Rachel's sons have crosses on their flages today. Rachel stole these images from her father. Gen.31;19 It is said they are "Gods," they can lead people. Gen.31;30 England, Scandinavia/Germany, and Russia all have crosses. Russia has a crossed hammer an sickle as the communists vote themselves back into power in March election. Australia and New Zealand still have the Union Jack on their flags.

Only America/Ephraim, and more recently Canada, do not have crosses so they may have opted out of the regeneration. Those are the facts, but this is speculation.
 
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Interesting and mildly amusing.
You still have not reconciled this mistruth:
Dan and Ephraim are "not sealed." This means today that they are not sealed geographically from other than Christian Cultures. This is what the meaning of "sealed" is in Rev.7
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand.
As we see here, Ephraim and Manasses are sealed.
So your meaning of sealed is flawed.
And as far as crosses on flags are concerned,if they represent "false gods"
that can lead, tis a mighty fine thing not to have em on a flag.
You wouldn't happen to be be European would yuh?
And to set the record straight, Rachel only had 2 children.
Joseph and Benjamin.
 
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Interesting and mildly amusing.
You still have not reconciled this mistruth:

Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand.
As we see here, Ephraim and Manasses are sealed.
So your meaning of sealed is flawed.
And as far as crosses on flags are concerned,if they represent "false gods"
that can lead, tis a mighty fine thing not to have em on a flag.
You wouldn't happen to be be European would yuh?
And to set the record straight, Rachel only had 2 children.
Joseph and Benjamin.

In ancient Israel the tribe of Levi recieved no land. They were to be priests to all the tribes. Judah recieved land. But today in European Christian Israel it is Judah who arrived into Europe late and recieves no land. Today the regenerated tribe of Levi is France.

At first Joseph was as one of the twelve, but then he went to Egypt and became special. Later his father Israel said that he would double his inheritance into two portions.

It says that Manasseh and Joseph are sealed. It omits Ephraim. Therefore it means England, and it's colonies which continue to retain the cross on thier flags. None of Leah's son's tribes have symbols on their flags. They just have colors stripes such a bull fighter might have. Leah had no symbols to give to them. The symbols aren't bad.

Rachel's children are her handmaid's children and her own. Four in all and all with crosses on their flags today. When Joseph was lost to Egypt then Benjamin took his place.
 
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In ancient Israel the tribe of Levi recieved no land. They were to be priests to all the tribes. Judah recieved land. But today in European Christian Israel it is Judah who arrived into Europe late and recieves no land. Today the regenerated tribe of Levi is France.
Levi was not the only one.
. 5 Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. 6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united : for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall. 7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel : I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.
Seems you should check out the whole truth.
At first Joseph was as one of the twelve, but then he went to Egypt and became special. Later his father Israel said that he would double his inheritance into two portions.
True.
It says that Manasseh and Joseph are sealed. It omits Ephraim. Therefore it means England, and it's colonies which continue to retain the cross on thier flags. None of Leah's son's tribes have symbols on their flags. They just have colors stripes such a bull fighter might have. Leah had no symbols to give to them. The symbols aren't bad.
That is why I used the Ezekial passage,it shows Manasses is Manasses, but Joseph is Ephraim. False gods are in no way, shape or form, good.
 
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Levi was not the only one.

Seems you should check out the whole truth.

True.

That is why I used the Ezekial passage,it shows Manasses is Manasses, but Joseph is Ephraim. False gods are in no way, shape or form, good.


Yes, the name Joseph is often used interchangably with the name Ephraim. This is similar to how the Bible interchanges between the name "Jacob" and "Israel." I myself believe that there is probably good reasons for this and that deeper and more full meanings are available therein.

So in the Revelation 7 sealing of the tribes only Joseph and Manasses are mentioned. It is not possible for Joseph's double portion to be made into a triple portion. So the question would be "why is it Ephraim that is missing." The answer lies in many forms. There are only 12 tribes and Ephraim is 13. Ephraim is the fall guy along with those of the tribe of Judah living in his land. This is described quite a bit in Hosea.

I didn't know if you had an interest in these particular ideas in the Bible about the sons of Israel. When they begin to be understood and brought into correspondence with our Chritian European countries traditional religious cultures, revelation shines forth. I wonder what you think of the following;

The four heir sons of Israel each developed their own tribe, their kingdom and thier beast. To begin with Israel's oldest son Reuben would have been the rightful heir to his father's throne. But in Israel's prophesies on his death bed he said that although Reuben was his "firstborn and his might" yet Reuben would "not excell." Gen. 49;4 With this pronouncement the eldest son Reuben was passed over and the next son would be chosen heir.

But again ulterior circumstances disabled both of his next two sons from the prominance of the throne. When their sister Dinah was consorted with a strange tribe her brothers arranged a mean plan. Tricking these strangers into injuring themselves, the two brothers Simeon and Levi ran into their camp and slaughtered the people and stole all their goods. Gen.34;25 About this their father Israel grieved and said to Simeon and Levi "Ye have troubled me and make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land." Gen.34;30

In his later prophesies to his sons Israel says about them "Simeon and Levi are bretheren, instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. O my soul, come thou not into their secret..." Gen. 49;5 So hereby both Simeon and Levi were passed by as heirs to the throne of Israel.

But to his fourth son Judah Israel prophesied "Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise. Judah is a lion's whelp, The sceptre shall not depart from Judah....until Shiloh come." Gen. 49;8-10 So Judah, who was Leah's fourth son was set on the throne of Israel.

At this time Rachel herself could not conceive children. so she sent in her maid Bilhah to her husband Israel to bare sons in her place. Gen. 30;4 When Bilhah conceived Dan, Rachel sat him on the throne as her own heir. Later during the regeneration the tribe of Dan became Orthodox Russia and became known both as the Ox, and the Russian Bear.

But after Rachel did finally manage to conceive her own sons, Dan was taken off of her throne. Her first son Joseph, becoming England and America in the regeneration had the "face of a man." The Tribe of Joseph was like ancient Joseph in Egypt. He became again a great administrator. But this time Joseph"s administration was over the entire British commonwealth.

When Joseph disappeared from his father in ancient Israel because he was sold by his brothers, then Benjamin became Israel's prize son. Gen.42;38 So too, in today's regeneration when Joseph who is England gave out his English language to the entire would as the "international language," his own English culture also disappeared. For this reason just as he had done before, Israel put Benjamin into Joseph's place. Today the Germanic Lutheran Tribe of Benjamin holds the "Eagle" emblem and is the King Tribe of the house of Israel.
 
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Not enough info to have an opinion.
I told you already I was interested and asked where you got this info.
So are you going to tell me or not?

Well, I'm a pilgrim too. I study the Bible and history books. I'm finding these things. I'm not in colusion with anyone else. Today we can find the truth about reality because it's all become unsealed.
 
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It's not about what mountain John 4, we have no continuing city Hebrews 13, forget Israel. If Jewish people get saved great, then they come into the church, and be seed of Abraham, where there is no more Greek or Jew, Galatians 3:28.

There's no such thing as a "NT" church that Jews need to become part of.
Quite the contrary.
There was, is and always will be only one group of believers in the one and Only true God of Israel.
In fact one quick look at Romans 11 and Ephesians 2, you will see that it is us Gentiles, who were once far off, separate from the commonwealth of Israel, strangers to the covenant, without hope and without God.
Read Romans 1:16...
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and ALSO to the Greek." Notice the ALSO, that means, that it's given to the Jewish people first, and ALSO to the Gentiles. NOT- to the Jews, first and now only to the Gentiles, but it's us Gentiles that should humbly and gratefully join the people of God.

This isn't about ethnic heritage, or lineage, because as Romans 9:6 tells us, not all Israel are true Israel. This is about believing in God and the Messiah, and living a life that reflects that. God always had His remnant, elected by grace through faith, from the beginning until now.
Jews who believe join the people of God, the commonwealth of saints, and so too do Gentile believers. The same group of believers that houses Abraham the father of our faith!
 
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There's no such thing as a "NT" church that Jews need to become part of.
Quite the contrary.
There was, is and always will be only one group of believers in the one and Only true God of Israel.
In fact one quick look at Romans 11 and Ephesians 2, you will see that it is us Gentiles, who were once far off, separate from the commonwealth of Israel, strangers to the covenant, without hope and without God.
Read Romans 1:16...
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and ALSO to the Greek." Notice the ALSO, that means, that it's given to the Jewish people first, and ALSO to the Gentiles. NOT- to the Jews, first and now only to the Gentiles, but it's us Gentiles that should humbly and gratefully join the people of God.

This isn't about ethnic heritage, or lineage, because as Romans 9:6 tells us, not all Israel are true Israel. This is about believing in God and the Messiah, and living a life that reflects that. God always had His remnant, elected by grace through faith, from the beginning until now.
Jews who believe join the people of God, the commonwealth of saints, and so too do Gentile believers. The same group of believers that houses Abraham the father of our faith!

Completely agree. Nobody was pushin' dispensationalism.
Just exploring our ancestry, and maybe getting an idea who Satan's major players are in end time prophecy.
 
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