Grace... and peace...

[Nom De Guerre]

Do we really appreciate the Grace and Peace of the fruits of God!?

[Edit/] There seems to be a lot of animosity between every denomination within the body of Christ... I'm sure we all hope that someday that will end and all of the truth will be revealed; some might already state the truth is already available, but they(everyone else) just won't listen... that could be true, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're void in the body of Christ. [/Edit]

After readin' through a copy of the Essenes translation of the New Testament, and yes I expect there to be criticism on that particular subject(none of which, I want to get into full details about in this thread), and of course relating it to the current version of the scriptures to date there seems to be some incredible differences which not only illuminate the subtleties of Peace amongst brethren, but also the Grace of God for all.


I thoroughly enjoyed the full translation of the Essenes translation, I know I said I wouldn't get too elaborate on the details but I thought this was particularly true, I thought the following scripture within the Essenes translation might be useful:

Lection XC: 10-16
10. God giveth you all Truth, as a ladder with many steps, for the salvation and perfection of the soul, and the truth which seemeth to day, ye will abandon for the higher truth of the morrow. Press ye unto Perfection.
11. Whoso keepeth the holy Law which I have given, the same shall save their souls, however differently they may see the truths which I have given.
12. Many shall say unto me, Lord, Lord, we have been zealous for thy Truth. But I shall say unto them, Nay, but, that others may see as ye see, and none other truth beside. Faith without charity is dead. Love is the fulfilling of the Law.
13. How shall faith in what they receive profit them that hold it in unrighteousness? They who have love have all things, and without love there is nothing worth. Let each hold what they see to be the truth in love, knowing that where love is not, truth is a dead letter and profiteth nothing.
14. There abide Goodness, and Truth, and Beauty, but the greatest of these is Goodness. If any have hatred to their fellows, and harden their hearts to the creatures of God’s hands, how can they see Truth unto salvation, seeing their eyes are blinded and their hearts are hardened to God’s creation?
15. As I have reveived the Truth, so have I given it to you. Let each receive it according to their light and ability to understand, and persecute not those who receive it after a different interpretation.
16. For Truth is the Might of God, and it shall prevail in the end over all errors. But the holy Law which I have given is plain for all, and just and good. Let all observe it for the salvation of their souls.


Grace and peace be upon you all.

 

[Nom De Guerre]

Has anyone else read through the Essenes translation, and if so: what do you think?

Again, I don't want to get too involved in the full details about the translation on this thread, just want to know some basic opinions...

 

[Nom De Guerre]

In case people are wondering about what the Essenes translation of the New Testament is, there was a previous thread in the forum dedicated to this particular translation... the introduction laid out an elaborate schematic of how and why there is such distinction between this translation and the current translations we have; and after reading through the Essenes translation itself, it claims that there is a particular waiting period before actually acquiring specifics... just thought I'd add some small thoughts.

 

[Nom De Guerre]

hmm... has nobody read the Essenes translation!?

 

[mrcrow]

grace is the greeting for christians
peace is the greeting for jews

grace and peace to you....

paul visited the essenes

 

[Nom De Guerre]

That would make a great deal of sense... considering that us Gentiles are saved by faith, according to Romans 11; not only that part of your statement, but Paul visiting the Essenes. I've seen much of what's written in the Espistles, under the Essenes translation, said by Y'shua Maschiach/Jesus Christ... I've also read much about what hasn't been said in the Essenes translation; definitely some food for thought.

 

[mrcrow]

paul was struck down on the road to damascus...that goes by q'umran
there is a straight street in q'umran
i have seen it.
a lot of essenic literature has been suppressed.

 

[Nom De Guerre]

I'll assume then that you've read the Essenes translation, if not:

http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/gospel_1.htm

there, obviously, is the link to the translations. If you have read the translation: what do you think?

 

[mrcrow]

well i read two books on the essenes...one went the route of jesus being an essene the other didnt and just told the story of the finding of the manuscripts

what was apparent in both books were the non disclosure of all the corpus of information found and the non disclosure of some of the translations done

it suggested some information had been 'buried' in a building in jerusalem..

 

[Nom De Guerre]

Interesting, I find the fact that it was written in the original sandscrit and Aramaic which had been spoken and written at the time of Y'shua/Jesus... that was definitely the buying point for me to read it.

Once I started reading it though, I couldn't stop; well I could, but I really enjoy the translation; in fact, I would go as far to say that it's my new choice of scripture, regardless if people choose to call me an apostate or declare "Anathema Maranatha" on me...

 

[Nom De Guerre]

Here's an exert from the introduction to the Essenes translation of the NT:



The Original Gospel, representing the teachings of Christ, the Lord of Love, taught harmlessness and compassion to all living beings, including both animals and humans. For reasons above stated, the Roman Churchmen at Nicea opposed these doctrines and eliminated them from the Gospels, which they radically changed so as to be acceptable to Constantine, who loved the red meats and flowing wine of his midnight feasts too much to accept a religion that prohibited these pleasures, which was a main reason why he so bitterly persecuted the early Christians who advocated these doctrines. For this reason the Church Fathers changed the Gospel in such a way that Love and Compassion were limited only to human beings but the animal expressions of life were excluded from receiving these benefits. But the savior of the Original Gospel, as Christ were represented to be, was a redeemer of the animal world, as he was of men, seeking to alleviate the sufferings of all living beings.

"The all pitying love of Our Savior embraces not only mankind, but also the so-called lower creatures of God, sharers with us of the one breath of life, and with us on the road of ascent to that which is higher. Never has the providence with which the All-Merciful watches over man and beast alike been more impressively brought home to us than in the saying of the Savior, 'Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, but not one of them is forgotten by God'. How were it possible to doubt that the Savior would have pity and compassion on the creatures who must bear their pain in silence? Would it not seem a blasphemy if it were said that He would behold without pity or succor the ill-treatment of helpless animals? Nay, rather, when he brought redemption to a world sunk in selfishness, hard heartedness and misery, and proclaimed the gospel of all embracing love, there was a share in this redemption for all suffering creatures; since when man opened his heart to the divine love, there could be no room left in it for pitiless hardness toward the other creatures of God, who have, like himself, been called into life with a capacity for enjoyment and suffering. 'Those who bear the mark of the Redeemer practice His all pitying love; and how little it is that the minimum of compassion for helpless creatures demand of us; Only not to inflict on them torture; to help them when they are in trouble, or when they appeal to us for succor, and if of necessity we take their life, to let it be a speedy death with the least pain-a gentle sleep. But, alas, how little we are penetrated with these divine lessons of mercy and compassion. How many grievous tortures are inflicted on them, under the pretense of science, or to gratify an unnatural appetite, or cruel lusts, or the promptings of vanity!"

 

[Nom De Guerre]

the intro, in entirety, can be found here(once again):

http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/gospel_intro.htm

 

[mrcrow]

Interesting, I find the fact that it was written in the original sandscrit and Aramaic which had been spoken and written at the time of Y'shua/Jesus... that was definitely the buying point for me to read it.

Once I started reading it though, I couldn't stop; well I could, but I really enjoy the translation; in fact, I would go as far to say that it's my new choice of scripture, regardless if people choose to call me an apostate or declare "Anathema Maranatha" on me...

the essenes dont save you...thats the gospel...the cross is the focal point of our faith...
i am reading legend just now by david rohl...it 'explains' the garden of eden and the whole genesis and egyptian archeology in a very good and interesting way...even to the extent of synchronising with scripture...
its topical and intellectual..
worth a read...along with his book test of time.

 

[Nom De Guerre]

I, by far, had not mentioned that the Essenes have "saved" me at all; in fact, I was doin' a little bit of searching on my own about the Essenes' translation and the Essenes themselves...

Even in the encyclopedia they mention that when the "Dead Sea Scrolls" were found they had found one that was strictly dedicated to Monestary living; now, the fact is that the Essenes were practicing, according to some, modern theology about Christianity 200 years before Christianity approximately; however, the Essenes were erradicated by the Roman Empire(Caesar Augustus was ruler then) and it was said that the Essenes probably hid their transcripts in caverns as well as in Yerusalem. If you had read the Essenes translation of the "Gospel of the Holy Twelve" you'd likely note that most of the "Lections" are almost word for word the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. There's also a translation of the book of Revelation by the Essenes...

that can be found here:

http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/revelation.htm

it's said that most of this information was stored inside the Vatican as well.

 

[mrcrow]

I, by far, had not mentioned that the Essenes have "saved" me at all; in fact, I was doin' a little bit of searching on my own about the Essenes' translation and the Essenes themselves...
apologies...
Even in the encyclopedia they mention that when the "Dead Sea Scrolls" were found they had found one that was strictly dedicated to Monestary living; now, the fact is that the Essenes were practicing, according to some, modern theology about Christianity 200 years before Christianity approximately; however, the Essenes were erradicated by the Roman Empire(Caesar Augustus was ruler then) and it was said that the Essenes probably hid their transcripts in caverns as well as in Yerusalem. If you had read the Essenes translation of the "Gospel of the Holy Twelve" you'd likely note that most of the "Lections" are almost word for word the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. There's also a translation of the book of Revelation by the Essenes...
that can be found here:
http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/revelation.htm
it's said that most of this information was stored inside the Vatican as well.
now that i can believe..and not for anyone's eyes too....its a mystery

cheers