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Gothic Christians.

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On my mind, this is a serious subject.
Im not entirley sure how to use this site, so please forgive me if i make mestakes.:blush:

It is from my own experience in my own church, from my fellow believers, that
Gothic christians, are not truly saved, that it is sin-full in respects.
Im not one to entirley understand the whole issue's myself, but recently, i have wanted to become "gothic" as such, but apparently this is not right.
Im quite stuck where i am because i am hearing different points of veiws, for instance, Gothisism ( the only way i can really put it) is only a subculture, and should not affect religon.
Is this true ? :confused:

Thank you

'Jc ;)
 

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Okay... as one who claims to be both Christian and goth, I feel as though it is my duty to respond...

First off, before I explain my own combination of Christian and goth (which can be saved until a different thread) let me say a few things...

1. I personally know gothic people whose theological views are Christian fundamentalism. I know others who are conservative and yet others who are liberal. As one who has been hanging out in Christian goth subculture since 1995, I can personally attest that the overwhelming majority of Christian goths I have met are very theologically conservative.
2. There is a ministry for goths known as Sanctuary. It was/is an offshoot of a Christian rock & roll church that began as a Pentecostal/Charismatic church initially affiliated with the Assemblies of God.
3. There is a lot of Christian goth music out there. I especially recommend Eva O, and ex-satanist who used to play in the infamous goth band Christian Death. She is now "saved". There is also The Awakening, Saviour Machine (great if you are into Dispensationalism), Wedding Party, and many others.
4. I recommend www.christiangoth.com for more info
5. My personal view? Goth is itself diverse in what it means to be goth. Very few goths share exactly the same subculture. For one person, goth may mean wearing medeival crosses, listening to classical music in D-minor and reflecting on God in a gothic-style cathedral. For another, goth may mean painting a pentegram on the floor and conjuring up demons. Obviously, these two are at polar opposites. In the case with any subculture, if anything deemed "gothic" comes into conflict with Christian faith - Christian faith should come first. If it isn't then it is okay. Some secular goth music, like Project Pitchfork is pro-social and uplifting - other secular goth music like Type O Negative is simply disgusting. The key is discernment.
 
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I still think of Goths as Indo-European invaders to enter continental Europe that had originally settled in relative isolation in Sweden and other southern parts of Scandinavia.
Wonder where that got changed into something totally different? German barbarians became absinthe drinking folks who wear black?
And yes, I am just being silly. One of my fave clubs is goth.

WB
 
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Jclovesu said:
On my mind, this is a serious subject.
Im not entirley sure how to use this site, so please forgive me if i make mestakes.:blush:

It is from my own experience in my own church, from my fellow believers, that
Gothic christians, are not truly saved, that it is sin-full in respects.
Im not one to entirley understand the whole issue's myself, but recently, i have wanted to become "gothic" as such, but apparently this is not right.
Im quite stuck where i am because i am hearing different points of veiws, for instance, Gothisism ( the only way i can really put it) is only a subculture, and should not affect religon.
Is this true ? :confused:

Thank you

'Jc ;)

one of my friends, his wife is gothic. this friend of mine is a pastor and just opened up a tattoo parlor. so here we have these two Christians that one is gothic, others may consider him gothic, i don't know if i do, for the definition of gothic is rather pointless to me, but he's a tattooist and a pastor.

i've had friends that were under the goth subculture. i honestly believe it's how you live your life. there are goths out there are not living good lives. i think paxigoth covered it really well.

if goth is based around the colors we wear, then i'm a goth. i love black and dark, earthy tone colors. i think i look sharp in it, and so does my fiancee. do i listen to goth music? by no means. i'm a metal head. now some of the gothic metal i like, but just a few bands. what else can we put into the subculture? see, i don't even know anything about this subculture. some will say goths have a dark outlook on life. and honestly i don't know if i see that. i can see a pessimistic outlook, but not dark. do some have dark outlooks on life? for sure.

but it's like with everything. there will always be something in the subcultures that reflect the mainstream culture. it's where the subcultures come from. so we're equal :) there's no difference between the struggles of let's say for me, someone that is into getting tattoos (even tho, i'm taking a temporary break from it right now for money and everything with me and my fiancee spending our lives together) and someone else. there is nothing that stands out in this subculture of people with tattoos, then with people without them. same goes with the gothic crowd. sure we have our individuality, but we have that without tattoos, without looking goth, we have that no matter what. the only difference to me is the outer appearance nothing more.

so if you live the best you can in this, what can really be said bad about it? your fruits is what shows your heart, not you wearing black colored linen.

like paxigoth said, use discernment. you know yourself better than any of us here know you. so just go with that. if you enjoy gothic style of rock or metal, then use discernment for what you listen to based upon your own faith/walk with God. and also, you can be a light the world around you. take the idea of you being a goth. so if that is true, i bet you have friends who are gothic. you can be the light in that. what does listening to goth music, maybe wearing black colored linen, maybe wearing a choker necklace, or black eye liner (just i think sometimes people go too far with that black makeup stuff :p) what does that have to do with you being a light in your world?

God Bless you! <><
 
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WittyBanter said:
I still think of Goths as Indo-European invaders to enter continental Europe that had originally settled in relative isolation in Sweden and other southern parts of Scandinavia.
Wonder where that got changed into something totally different? German barbarians became absinthe drinking folks who wear black?
And yes, I am just being silly. One of my fave clubs is goth.

WB

It makes it harder for those of us that like to tote an axe down the street wearing only a bearskin.

I'm joking, my ancestors are the Celts, so I'd have to go naked.
 
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It makes it harder for those of us that like to tote an axe down the street wearing only a bearskin.

I'm joking, my ancestors are the Celts, so I'd have to go naked.

...don't forget the woad!
woadfin5_small.jpg
Without the woad you're just...nekid! :eek:
tulc(always wanted some woad facial tatts) :sigh:
 
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tulc said:
...don't forget the woad!
woadfin5_small.jpg
Without the woad you're just...nekid! :eek:
tulc(always wanted some woad facial tatts) :sigh:

The Picts used green, which is probably what I should use. Seeing as I live out in the sticks.

And I wouldn't be nekkid. I'd be naked.

Naked is not wearing clothes.

Nekkid is not wearing clothes and doing something you should be ;)
 
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WittyBanter said:
I still think of Goths as Indo-European invaders to enter continental Europe that had originally settled in relative isolation in Sweden and other southern parts of Scandinavia.
Wonder where that got changed into something totally different? German barbarians became absinthe drinking folks who wear black?
And yes, I am just being silly. One of my fave clubs is goth.

WB

Think Gothic Art, Literature and Architecture.
 
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1atheistmonk said:
I always thought that the concept of Gothic came from the dark architecture of the Catholic churches during the renaissance period? and If that was the scenario, wouldn't Gothic concepts and Christianity go hand in hand?
First off:
[pong]:clap: Welcome to CF 1atheistmonk! :wave:[/pong]
Hope you have fun here in our corner of the web! ;)

Secondly, as an interesting side point:
http://www.artcyclopedia.com/history/gothic.html
Gothic Art is the style of art produced in Northern Europe from the middle ages up until the beginning of the Renaissance. Typically rooted in religious devotion, it is especially known for the distinctive arched design of its churches, its stained glass, and its illuminated manuscripts.

In the late 14th century, anticipating the Renaissance, Gothic Art developed into a more secular style known as International Gothic. One of the great artists of this period is Simone Martini.

Although superseded by Renaissance art, there was a Gothic Revival in the 18th and 19th centuries, largely rooted in nostalgia and romanticism
which is not to be confused with these guys:
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/texts/jordgeti.html
or these guys from today:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goth
Which is who this thread is about! ;)
tulc(who is more of the "sacking Rome" type of Goth!) :sorry:
 
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tulc said:
tulc(who is more of the "sacking Rome" type of Goth!) :sorry:

Rome not around anymore, but there's a gated community down the street from my house that'll do. I've got my sword and fire starting materials, let's go!
 
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