Answering your posts is like untying knotted thread. You take scriptural verses out of context, add secular groupthink, add some assumptions, then you toss it out and call it good.
flesh99 said:
The dynamin that is set out for a man and woman in marriage is a willing dynamic on both parts. First the woman should submit to her husband, but this is the most important part, as to the Lord. This is a willing submission not an exerted control by the husband. This submission is in the context as well of what the husband is supposed to do and we have to look at both parts to understand the dynamic. The husband is to love his wife as Christ loves the church. This is important as it says that the husband is the head of the wife. We have to take off our rose colored English glasses and look at the ideas presented in the Greek to understand this verse. The picture here is not one of control like we have when we think of the head of something. In the time this was written the head of something was thought of in relation to an animal like a cow. The head is out in front, a point man so to speak. When we look at these verses in context of each other and the ideas that original language meant to paint we get an entirely different picture than what we get taking them alone and in English.
The head is where decision and direction come from. The rest of the body follow's the head's will because the head makes the decisions for the best interests of the organism. If the body were to start going its own way without the head's leadership disaster would happen as it does when we leave Christ to pursue our own ends. So it is when a wife defys her husband to the detriment of the marriage.
flesh99 said:
The picture that is painted is one where the husband is out in front, the wife lets him be there, and he is willing to take the damage from any attacks on his family be they from our enemy Satan, the world, other believers, etc, etc.
They are one in marriage. Its not about the husband willing to take the damage, it is about him leading his marriage past it by living and leading his family according to God's will.
flesh99 said:
This is a spiritual leadership in a sense. We know that the marriage bed is all about equality by what is written elsewhere. We cannot look at these two verses alone and pull doctrine from them and expect to be anywhere near right.
It is a practical leadership as defined in Genesis. Marriage is not about equality, this is modern psychobabble. Marriage is man and woman joining physically and spiritually to please God.
flesh99 said:
When a woman is told that she should submit it is in a very specific manner...as to the Lord. This submission is one of respect and a willing submission. Never once are we told to force this submission, in fact we are told to love our wives as Christ loves the church. We are not always in submission to Christ properly and he forgives us and never stops loving us. Our love for our wives in the context of these verses is regardless of anything that they do. We are called to love as Christ does, this includes all the forgiveness and even a willingness to die for them so that they would not have to.
Christ does not tolerate our waywardness. He brings us back by many different means. 'There's no atheists in foxholes.' Our submission to him is willing but suggesting it is not induced by divine activity is in error, just like suggesting a man let his wife walk away is not congruent to how Jesus handles us.
flesh99 said:
To all the the men that are irate at women not submitting, expecially if it is your own wife: I suggest you look and see if you have the love for her that Christ has for you.
I would suggest such men ask themselves if they go to the lengths Christ does to get us back when their wives leave them or disrespect them. To do anything other than your best to maintain your marriage is not in keeping with how Jesus shows his love for us. When we leave Christ he does not sit idly back and watch us go, he does not beg us on his knees to come back, he does not ask us if it was his fault. He smiles sadly and starts the ball rolling so we eventually return to him, in greater need than ever for his love.
flesh99 said:
There is a whole beam, speck, eye thing going on here that you should address. Until we are capable of following the command on how we are to love our wives we really shouldn't be concerned about the status of their submission. In fact the command to submit is to the wives and them alone, it has nothing to do with us, it is between them and God!
NO! Husbands and wives are called to behave themselves despite how the other behaves. As Christians we are to hold ourselves to the standard the Bible sets despite how others treat us. That is the very thing which makes us Christ-like!
Run away and never look back my friend. You also need to confess this sin to the Lord and your wife. Relationships should be based on honesty and integrity. Right now your's is lacking this trait.
