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The Gospel of Judas gives a different view of the relationship between Jesus and Judas, offering new insights into the disciple who betrayed Jesus. Unlike the accounts in the canonical Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, in which Judas is portrayed as a reviled traitor, this newly discovered Gospel portrays Judas as acting at Jesus' request when he hands Jesus over to the authorities.
Source : The Lost Gospel of Judas--Photos, Time Line, Maps--National Geographic

The source also has more information regarding the finding. The finding is dated between A.D. 220 and 340 (Radiocarbon Dating).

The idea that Judas was following orders given to him by Jesus is both radical and intriguing. It is only radical because all the other accounts of Judas we have depict him as a villain. Yet, had Jesus given him special and secret orders, it is not beyond reason that the other disciples could have misunderstood the actions of Judas as being malicious.

Consider that Jesus' disciples were not aware that Jesus had to die and rise again as shown in John 20:9.

Refer to my other thread for further details and discussion : http://www.christianforums.com/t7349436/

I have always found it strange that the man that is responsible for setting up the most important event in Christianity is labeled as a villain.

Thoughts?

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By the way here is the link to the English and Coptic versions of the Gospel of Judas for those interested. The PDF files are on the left.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/about_coptic_text.html
 
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By the testimony of two or three witnesses is it confirmed... and by your own posting.. Matt, Mark, Luke, and John.. didn't

Even the Gospel of Judas agrees that Judas did the action. There is just a spin on the intention.
 
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When did Judas have time to write a gospel? Shortly after his betrayal he hanged himself... And if he was on a "secrete mission" How did the real author know of his intentions?
 
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I don't think there are any serious, mainstream, scholars who think the gospel of Judas is a 1st century text, let alone one written by Judas.

It's blatantly gnostic, probably second century (maybe later). And, for what it's worth, it's not a gospel since it contains no good news event.
 
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When did Judas have time to write a gospel? Shortly after his betrayal he hanged himself... And if he was on a "secrete mission" How did the real author know of his intentions?

According to Matthew 27:5, yes.

Matthew 27:5 said:
And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

Acts 1:18, maybe not.

Acts 1:18 said:
Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe these are the only two accounts of Judas' alleged death/suicide and they do not agree at face value. I've seen several attempts at reconciling these accounts ranging from creative stories (Not found or supported contextually) to a figurative understanding of Acts 1:18.

Such loose agreement and sparse mention among the NT texts suggests to me that the idea that Judas wrote a Gospel is not impossible. Although, of course if one was to accept the account of Matthew then the notion is foolhardy and impossible.

Whenever I read the accounts in the canonized NT I feel like something is missing. The pieces of the story seem to not fit neatly.

Simplified Summary:

1. Jesus knows he must die for our sins (Although his disciples remain ignorant to this very important detail while Jesus is with them).

2. Jesus chooses a man that will betray him.

3. The man betrays him and is today demonized for it.

Why does Jesus not just turn himself in? This question still applies even if Judas is given his secret mission or not.

Why did Jesus select an apostle that would betray him? If anything that might reduce his appeal, because people could reason he did not have the foresight to prevent the betrayal.

Although the account given in the Gospel of Judas is interesting, there are still problems with it beyond the unknown author.
 
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If God wanted Judas to write a gospel he would have included it in the Bible. It's obviously a lie to make us think Judas wasn't a bad guy. Judas was a traitor.

Thanks for sharing your view :)
 
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I don't think there are any serious, mainstream, scholars who think the gospel of Judas is a 1st century text, let alone one written by Judas.

It's blatantly gnostic, probably second century (maybe later). And, for what it's worth, it's not a gospel since it contains no good news event.

The Radiocarbon Dating places it somewhere between 220 and 340 AD.
 
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The Radiocarbon Dating places it somewhere between 220 and 340 AD.
The manuscript is third or fourth century, but the interesting question is 'when was the original text written?'. Unless that's 1st century it's not terribly interesting because its claims are unlikely to be true if it's any later than that.
 
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe these are the only two accounts of Judas' alleged death/suicide and they do not agree at face value. I've seen several attempts at reconciling these accounts ranging from creative stories (Not found or supported contextually) to a figurative understanding of Acts 1:18.

Such loose agreement and sparse mention among the NT texts suggests to me that the idea that Judas wrote a Gospel is not impossible. Although, of course if one was to accept the account of Matthew then the notion is foolhardy and impossible.

Whenever I read the accounts in the canonized NT I feel like something is missing. The pieces of the story seem to not fit neatly.

You are correct here in that the pieces don't all line up at face value. But one thing both accounts agree on is that Judas did in fact kill himself. Whether you except the account in Matthew or whether you prefer that he took a header off of a cliff. The fact is he dies before the resurrection.. If he lived after the resurrection wouldn't Jesus have just clear everything up? Why would Jesus let Judas take the fall for his death if he commanded Judas to have the Pharisees arrest him?

Judas's actions hasty or not tell a story of a man wrought with grief, and not that of repentance.. If in fact he were just following orders then why all the guilt?

He has to have known (If sent by Jesus) what sending the Pharisees after Jesus would have ment...

Now if he went on his own accord and struck a deal they could have lied and told him any number of things to get his cooperation. and then I could see the weight of guilt leading to his final actions..

1. Jesus knows he must die for our sins (Although his disciples remain ignorant to this very important detail while Jesus is with them.
I think The reason for this was of the reaction of Peter in the Garden, but on a much grander scale. If all of the disciples knew (not just the inner 12) there would have been alot of needless blood split.

2. Jesus chooses a man that will betray him.
Jesus simply knew of the man who would betray him, he did single anyone out (According to canonized scripture.)

3. The man betrays him and is today demonized for it.
This is unfortunate, because it does seem to send a mixed message, but at the same time I can see how love for someone can effect judgment even after time has passed.

Why does Jesus not just turn himself in? This question still applies even if Judas is given his secret mission or not.
Because if he turned himself in then there would have been a process and trial witnessed by all of Jerusalem.. In order for the Pharisees to give Jesus a "trial" and conviction they had to literally break every signal rule governing the Sanhedrin. This would have cause tremendous moral outrage if done in front of all Jerusalem.

Why did Jesus select an apostle that would betray him? If anything that might reduce his appeal, because people could reason he did not have the foresight to prevent the betrayal.
The betrayal was always apart of the plan, as recorded by prophesy from Isaiah, and David. (It was necessary to convict an innocent man)

Although the account given in the Gospel of Judas is interesting, there are still problems with it beyond the unknown author.
I Agree
 
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The biggest thing I see as a problem with the thinking is included in your summary saying "Jesus chooses a man to betray Him".

Jesus chose nobody. He only knew the choice he [Judas] would make confronted with the situation. God used Judas to carry out His plan for salvation. Thats it.

We all make our own choices and are not predestined to make those decisions. God, being omniscient, knows what we will choose and therefore uses us to carry out His plans for the future.
 
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I went through and read the document. To me it seems like a fake. Firstly it speaks of realms that are just made up; like the following realm of Barbelo, with a mystery ruler.

Judas [said] to him, “I know who you are and where you have come from. You are from the immortal realm of Barbelo. And I am not worthy to utter the name of the one who has sent you.”

Secondly Christ is called an angel (Seth), all Christians know that Christ was God in a body, not an angel.

The first is eth, who is called Christ.

The whole gospel seems disjointed and confusing, it is not clear like the other gospels. In the other Gospels Jesus does not worry at all about realms or names of heavenly places. The Gospel of Judas seems obsessed with realms, angels, and their names, or positions. I say it is a fake.

For what I read it does not seem that Jesus told Judas to betray him, which would seem silly. Regardless of that it is still not a Gospel that I would feel comfortable reading to gain any real spiritual insight.
 
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Can you find anywhere .. where Judas was called by Yeshua to join? Peter and others were called to lay down their current vocation and join him. We know what they were, what they were doing at the time of the calling... but.. Judas???
 
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And yet, Jesus not only allowed him to join, but chose him as one of the 'inner 12' and trusted him with the group's finances.
I don't think this gospel rings true, mainly because of the preoccupation with heavenly geography.
I do, however, think that Judas is vilified to an unnecessary degree... he is no greater a sinner than any of us, and which of us can know what we would have done in his place. Peter denied Him too.
I pray that Judas did repent and was reconciled to God in the end. But we can't know that until we reach heaven... where we may be able to ask him about it.
 
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Dear humblemuslim,

You raise and interesting topic here. The work in question is one of a number of so-called 'Gospels'; its age is less important than its content, for we know that as early as St. Paul's time there were those attempting to preach 'another gospel'; so heresy has a long pedigree.

The content of the book is clearly gnostic; it posits a Christ at odds with the one portrayed by the Gospels and the early Church. This Christ is not really fully human as well as fully divine; neither is it clear that He is the Son of God; the context of the book seems a neoplatonist one in which there are a number of stages (such as the 'realm of Barbelo') between God and man. The same is true of the so-called gospels of Thomas and Mary Magdalene. It seems to have been a habit of the early heretics to call their books after some well-known character from the life of Christ in order to give them some validity. There never was a point at which the Church has accepted any of these books as genuinely part of the Apostolic deposit; indeed only the 4 Gospels we have today have ever been accepted.

As for Judas' betrayal of the Lord, Christians have portrayed this in a number of ways, but the most convincing is that of an example of how all can sin; perhaps his greatest sin was to despair and throw his own life away (if one takes that version of his fate). As to his eventual fate, that, like that of the rest of us sinners, is in the hands of the Only Just Judge; He, and He alone, decides these things.

peace be upon you,

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Can you find anywhere .. where Judas was called by Yeshua to join? Peter and others were called to lay down their current vocation and join him. We know what they were, what they were doing at the time of the calling... but.. Judas???

So the idea of 12 chosen apostles is incorrect? Were all the other 11 people asked to join explicitly?
 
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