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Gospel of Christ Not Possible in TE Doctrine?

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Nope; not at all!

In the Word of God, Adam is the name of our human being kind/race/being; which kind was made male and female -Genesis 1:26-28; and called Adam -Genesis 5:2.
The head or firstborn of our Adamkind race was called the "ish" which word is sometimes translated as man, from the Hebrew to the English, but which word does not mean especially a human being when used in the Hebrew. Context supplies the meaning of it.
Now, in the Word of God we are told the Adam ish was put into a coma and a rib was taken from his side by YHWH and from that rib He built an ishyah for the ish. The word ishyah is translated as woman/wife/bride/female.
These two persons in the Adam race were of one created "Adam spirit"; which spirit is the spirit of the flesh of the Adam. That spirit is the unseen force in the seed created within the Adam, which drives the Adam nature to "be" multiplied in it's own likeness -and to continue multiplying the kind in its likeness until the day it is cut off forever [and which is the oracle of circumcision given to Abraham's seed to wear in their flesh from the 8th day of birth, until the fulfillment of that sign in the 8th day of creation/the new beginning -but I digress.

So, there they were, the Adam ish and the Adam ishyah, in the beginning of creation, happily keeping the Garden of Eden which God the Word planted east of Eden. And in the bliss of Eden's Garden of God they fellowshipped daily with the Person of God the Word, who came to call each evening for the mutual pleasure of enjoying one another's company.

In that glorious beginning of creation, Adam was created "son of God" [Luke 2:38], and made male and female for the purpose of multiplying the sons of God of the human being kind [Malachi 2:15] for the Glory of the Unseen YHWH to indwell, as His temple/tabernacle/house called "human" [Haggai 2].

Now, in the Gospel of Christ, Adam son of God, did not obey God the Word's one command; which one command came with a life or death promise and was the test of faithfulness and love for God, which Adam was to pass -or fail. Adam failed.
Adam did not choose life, but willfully and purposefully chose death. And in Adam all the seed died; all the seed comes forth continuing to die; and all the seed shall die -irrevocably.
In Adam its hopeless for change or for life or for the undoing of the curse, which the head/firstborn Adam brought into the world by his disobedience.
But as soon as Adam died as "son of God", Adam was promised a Redeemer, and that Redeemer had already been prepared for our ransom from death and for the restoration of our souls for the Glory to indwell, in the Adoption which was to come.
That ransom was to be done by the Redeemer according to the biblical laws of Kinsman. [Kinsman and Redeemer is one and the same Hebrew word].
That Kinsman has come as the "brother" to Adam, with the will and the power to do the duty of Kinsman; which duty is to "marry" the barren widow and raise up his firstborn seed in the name of the dead first husband, so that the inheritance is not lost [BTW: Enoch is the firstborn seed of Christ raised up in the name of the dead husband, so that the inheritance -the kingdom given to Adam which he sold into death and corruption- is not lost].


That Kinsman is YHWH in the Person of the Word, who clothed Himself with the second creation human being body of flesh [Isaiah 59] and is come in that flesh of second "Ish" of the human being kind. His name is not called Adam, by the Father, but is called Israel . We call His name "Salvation/Howshea/Jesus", for He saved us from our sins, but the Father called His name "Israel", as the second and New Man [Isaiah 49]. The second Man human being flesh was "prepared" in the womb of a virgin, for Him to wear as one wears a garment. He stripped Himself bare naked of the Glory He had with the Father -as God the Word- from the beginning of creation, and came in the likeness of sinful human beings, as a brother to Adam, in second Man flesh: He came without the Glory of the Son of God, but not laden with the sin of Adam's transgression, and not dead to the fellowship and Life in YHWH which Adam is dead to since the fall.
Because in Him was Life, not death, He could give Life for the ransom of the lost, dead, Adam race, and He tasted our death when He had all the sins and iniquities of our race laid on Him while He hung on the cross [Isaiah 53], when the Father turned from Him. When He departed His body of perfection which could not suffer decay in three days and nights, He took our sins away, to "Azazel" ["Azazel" is incorrectly translated "scapegoat", in the English -another post on that, later].


But that is not the truth according to the TE believers, for Adam is not a created son of God, is not made one spirit, male and female in the beginning, to bring forth sons of God, and is not fallen from the glory of the created son of God, and is not devolving degenerately ever since.
In TE, the world is not fallen and is in no need of ransom and restoration but is ever and onward evolving upwards.
So how is it possible that in TE there is a need for a Kinsman Savior, a need for a second birth of spirit, and a need for an adoption body made in the image of the only begotten Son of God, since in TE the foundational cause of the need for the Kinsman Redeemer for Adam is denied?
 
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Does any evolutionary creationist here actually think we do not bear the image of God, that we were never meant to procreate, and that we are not a fallen creation in need of salvation?

I certainly don't feel that way.
What one says they believe with one breath they deny with the next, as a TE believer.
I claim that there is no compatibility with the Gospel of Christ and the teachings of TE.
-and no one said anything about "not meant to procreate". Malachi 2:15 states that Adam is made one spirit [having the residue/share] of the spirit because He [God the Creator] sought sons of God. He sought sons of God of the human being kind for His Glory to indwell by the making of them male and female, for the multiplying of the kind called human sons of God.

In TE, there is no creation of Adam formed from the dust of the earth on day six of creation, and made a living soul, in the beginning; and in TE there is no putting the male Adam ish to sleep and taking out a rib of him and building a female Adam ishyah, in the beginning. BTW: all souls of all spirits of all flesh created on day six of creation are "living" souls; all animals/beasts/creatures that breathe are "living souls". That also flies in the face of the doctrines of TE, who want to somehow make the human being something that was only chosen out of a souless animal kingdom to "receive a soul" in some fairy tale, long, long, ago time.

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature [that hath]/soul life and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Gen 7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life.
 
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Malachi 2:15 states that Adam is made one spirit [having the residue/share] of the spirit because He [God the Creator] sought sons of God.
Malachi 2:15 never mentions Adam. It a difficult passage to understand that has certainly been interpreted as a reference to Adam, but it does not say that.
Mal 2:14 But you say, "Why does he not?" Because the LORD was witness between you and the wife of your youth, to whom you have been faithless, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant.
15 Did he not make them one, with a portion of the Spirit in their union? And what was the one God seeking? Godly offspring. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and let none of you be faithless to the wife of your youth.
16 "For the man who hates and divorces, says the LORD, the God of Israel, covers his garment with violence, says the LORD of hosts. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and do not be faithless."

Who is Malachi talking about God making one? Adam and Eve who are never mentioned in the passage? Or the man and the wife of his youth whom he wants to divorce? Certainly there is a reference back to Genesis here, Jesus refers to the same passage when he talked about divorce. Gen 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. But how is that meaning any different if it is an allegogical lesson on marriage taken from a historical Adam and Eve, or an allegorical lesson taken from a parable of the creation of the human race? While there is an allusion to the one flesh of Genesis here, Malachi is talking about God making the man and his wife one , placing a portion of his spirit in their union so they could have godly children, having been made one by God the man want to be unfaithful to the covenant and divorce his wife.

What one says they believe with one breath they deny with the next, as a TE believer.
Which makes me think there is little point in having any kind of conversation with you, because you live in a fantasy world where your own opinion of what TEs think is more important to you than what they actually believe. Your treatment of Glaudys was terrible. No matter what we tell you we believe, you will keep accusing us of believing something else. Simply, you prefer to believe a lie.
 
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it is a contradiction. one cannot say they believe the Bible when it comes to salvation then turn around and say the Bible is false when it comes to creation, the flood, the longest day, the exodus and so manyother passages.

not only do you destroy the very foundation jophn 3:16 is built upon but you destroy hope for all mankind.

also those who follow TE or PC are NOT preaching the same gospel as Jesus and the apostles did, as they all spoke of creation as Gen. 1 recorded it.

those who opt for alternatives are wrong and in sin. there is no other way to say it. man is not granted authority to sit in judgment of God's words and say 'this you can believe but this you do not have to' that is just heresy at its best.

as i ave said, there is NO middle ground with God and if you are siding with the secular world then you are NOT siding with God. it is that simple and direct.
 
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Rom 14:1 And him who is weak in the faith receive ye -- not to determinations of reasonings;

Rom 14:2 one doth believe that he may eat all things -- and he who is weak doth eat herbs;

Rom 14:3 let not him who is eating despise him who is not eating: and let not him who is not eating judge him who is eating, for God did receive him.

Rom 14:4
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

That is not a license for error. This is a rule for living together as a Church, until every error is corrected by the Master.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

How could it possibly be that an evolutionist would confess Jesus, and yet not have that confession be of God unto salvation? The test is simple.

1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

With that, the glass is always half, a quarter, and eighth or a 100th full.

Reps busterdog.

How could I not defend you, and the faith?
 
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The funny thing is, we probably won't know whose faith is weak and whose is strong, until we meet him face to face.
That is not a license for error. This is a rule for living together as a Church, until every error is corrected by the Master.
It is a difficult balance to find. Some errors and practices are intrinsically wrong and we need to warn our fellow believers of the danger. Others areas of disagreement really don't matter. Does it matter whether one day is more important than another? Or one diet? To those who believe they are, they may seem a vital part of our Christian walk. Yet even if they are unimportant, I don't think that it counts as an error the Master will correct, vindicating the one who esteems all days alike. Who was right will probably be much less of an issue than the love and grace we showed to those we disagreed with, whether we were technically correct or not.
 
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I claim that there is no compatibility with the Gospel of Christ and the teachings of TE.
We all know that's what you think. You tell us about it every waking minute of the day.
The point that I (and apparently many others) pray you would understand is that what you think evolutionary creationists believe is not the same as what we actually believe. Thus far, you appear more interested in projecting your misconceptions about us rather than listening to us. So I have to agree with Assyrian that carrying on in discussion with you is really a fruitless exercise. gluadys has been very gracious in that sense so far.
 
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Malachi 2:15 never mentions Adam. It a difficult passage to understand that has certainly been interpreted as a reference to Adam, but it does not say that.
Mal 2:14 But you say, "Why does he not?" Because the LORD was witness between you and the wife of your youth, to whom you have been faithless, though she is your companion and your wife by covenant.
15 Did he not make them one, with a portion of the Spirit in their union? And what was the one God seeking? Godly offspring. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and let none of you be faithless to the wife of your youth.
16 "For the man who hates and divorces, says the LORD, the God of Israel, covers his garment with violence, says the LORD of hosts. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and do not be faithless."

Who is Malachi talking about God making one? Adam and Eve who are never mentioned in the passage? Or the man and the wife of his youth whom he wants to divorce? Certainly there is a reference back to Genesis here, Jesus refers to the same passage when he talked about divorce. Gen 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. ... .
Thank you for your post.
I would like to direct you to Scriptures in context to show why Malachi 2:15 is speaking of the first ish and ishyah [one Adam kind, made male and female], being made "one" spirit, with the residue of the Adam spirit which was "formed" in the Adamhead ish, and "remained" in the rib taken from his side, for the building of the female Adam ish, for the purpose of multiplying the seed within the Adamhead as sons of God =ben Elohym- of the human being kind as a house for His Glory to indwell [we wear clothes because of the shame of that loss of Glory and irrevocable ruin from our created purpose
YHWH made them -the male and the female Adam persons- one spirit, with the residue of the spirit of the flesh, which spirit He called "Adam".

Malachi 2:15
h6213 `asah
h259 'echad
h7605 shĕ'ar
h7307 ruwach
h259 echad
h1245 baqash
h430 'elohiym
h2233 zera`
Isaac Mozeson's Hebrew dictionary, The Word" gives this entrance, with h7604: from which the word h7605 shĕ'ar, used in Malachi 2:15, is connected and understood
RESIDUE SaReeYD Sin-Resh-Yod-Dalet
SAH-REED_________________[SRD à RSD]
ROOTS: RESIDE and RESIDENCE are said to come from Latin re (back) plus sedere (to sit). "Sitting back" may or may not infer RESIDENCY, but RESIDUE (what is left over) is another matter. Old French residere (remainder, rest) has nothing to do with occupation, so the linkage of RESIDENTIAL to RESIDUAL ought to be suspect. Hebrew offers an SRD etymon which could well have given rise to RSD words like residere, RESIDUARY, and RESIDUUM. SaReeYD is a remnant or survivor (Numbers 21:35, Job 18:19). SaRaD is to leave over. SHA’ahR is to remain; the extension with the SR + dental that fits this entry is SH’AyReeYT (remnant – Genesis 45:7).

BRANCHES: The SR element is seen in SH’ahAR (was left – I Samuel 16:11) and SHih’AyReeYT (remnant or a remainder). The sense of human survivor is kept alive in the Polish SR word for orphan: sierota. The Ancient Egyptian sherit (a small piece of something) should be related to SH’AyReeYT (remnant -- from Kressel Housman). REST (remainder) ought to be related; the Latin etymon here is restare (to remain). RESTING (dormancy), RESTIVE and RESTLESS are more distantly related.
Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of Adam within/in the midst of him.
So the spirit which YHWH Elohym "formed" in the midst of the flesh of the head of our race -the male Adam ish- was "remained" in the rib taken from his side, for the building of the female Adam ishyah. All Adam is one spirit.
All born in the New Man Name [second birth of spirit is the adoption] are also one Spirit with Him
1Cr 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one Spirit. -and all adopted into His One Living Spirit will be resurrected in their body and regenerated/morphosed in the elements of it to the image of the New Man. Then they will also be one bone and one flesh together with His One Spirit. Because we are made one Spirit with Christ in the regeneration of our spirit, we are then members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones -Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

We wait for the adoption of the body, when we are morphosed to the image of the New Man, and then indeed are His "ishyah": bone of His bone, flesh of His flesh, with the Remnant of His One Spirit; and finally, YHWH gets the sons of Elohym which He sought when He made Adam one spirit, one flesh, one bone, one blood; and made them male and female, to multiply the seed as His sons, for His House, built of the human kind, for His Glory to indwell.

Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection:
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Rom 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,


Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of Adam within him.

Gen 37:27 for he [is] our brother [and] our flesh.

Gen 29:14 And Laban said to him, Surely thou [art] my bone and my flesh.

2Sa 19:12 Ye [are] my brethren, ye [are] my bones and my flesh: wherefore then are ye the last to bring back the king?
2Sa 19:13 And say ye to Amasa, [Art] thou not of my bone, and of my flesh? God do so to me, and more also, if thou be not captain of the host before me continually in the room of Joab.



1Ch 11:1 Then all Israel gathered themselves to David unto Hebron, saying, Behold, we [are] thy bone and thy flesh.
Num 27:16 Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh,...Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with Adam, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Job 10:11 Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews.
 
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The funny thing is, we probably won't know whose faith is weak and whose is strong, until we meet him face to face.
It is a difficult balance to find. Some errors and practices are intrinsically wrong and we need to warn our fellow believers of the danger. Others areas of disagreement really don't matter. Does it matter whether one day is more important than another? Or one diet? To those who believe they are, they may seem a vital part of our Christian walk. Yet even if they are unimportant, I don't think that it counts as an error the Master will correct, vindicating the one who esteems all days alike. Who was right will probably be much less of an issue than the love and grace we showed to those we disagreed with, whether we were technically correct or not.

If one had to grade errors on the basis of how much attention Paul pays, dividing the body of Christ is a big deal for Paul. He spends time less worrying about creationism. I dont think that allows us to read his mind on the subject, but before someone divides the body, they ought to wonder about why Paul thinks this is such a big deal.

I agree with the OP that, if you extend the logic of the core Gospel, you do need to be consistent with a YEC view to remain perfectly logical. But of course, perfect logic is not what we run the race for. But, the OP, perhaps unintentionally, seemed a lot more extreme to me.
 
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Concentrating on the creation of Adam as a "ben Elohym", created to be a house for the Glory to dwell in -not made of hands- and of the fall of the prince/Adam, we do see that the evolutionary TE teaching is total fabrication, built on nothing but myths unfounded in the Word of God.
The TE human being is not created from the beginning as "Adam, ben Elohym", clothed with the Glory of the Unseen, dwelling in the Garden of God and fellowshipping with the "Face of His Presense' in the Person of His Word, daily, one on one.
The Gospel of Christ is about the Atonement of the Kinsman Redeemer for the seed of the fallen, former ben Elohym, Adam.
Adam can never come into the assembly of sons of God since the fall, and the whole story of redemption is about the The Atonement was prepared from the beginning for the ransom and cleansing and adoption/ the redressing in garments of the New Man Name, for the seed who were created in Adam to be sons of God; who were to be His house not made with hands, and were made for the joining togetehr in praise and worship with all the sons of God when the assemblies of them are called, in the heavenlies.
The story of redemption of the seed of Adam is the story of our cleansing as individual seed/souls by the Atonement of th Kinsman/Redeemer, who adopts us and redresses us in the Spirit of regeneration and in the body of regeneration, so that we are then truly built as the "house called human being" not made with hands, and made for the Glory to indwell.

The New Man human being house is called "Israel". He is the Seed of the Woman who crushes the head/authority of the serpent and whose heel the serpent bruised/killed; but who ransoms the kingdom by marrying the barren widow and adopting all the dead seed as His own sons, and restores the ransomed kingdom to share with His own adopted sons, in the regeneration of it, at which time the Glory of the Unseen YHWH will fill the regenerated heavens and earth and all the sons of God will be united to the Father through the Son.
TE myths miss the entire story of our purpose, our fall from that purpose and the restoration as sons of God by the Atonement and adoption. Redemption is "redeemed back" for our purpose for which we were made, in the beginning.

Adam is a devolved, degenerate, former "ben Elohym", who has no hope for restoration in his own name. A vessel of clay, once defiled, is unfit for bearing the Glory ever, again, as the living oracles [given by Moses] teach us.

But Israel, the New creation Man, who is YHWH come in flesh of human being preparation for the Glory to indwell is the Foundation Stone of the New -second- Human Being temple, made for the Glory to indwell.
Adam is the old man. Jesus/Salvation the Christ/The Living Spirit is the New Man, whose name is not Adam, but whose name is Israel. The name was given to Jacob by YHWH of hosts [Hosea 12:3-5] when He came to Jacob as the Messenger of YHWH, when He wrestled with Jacob, and gave Jacob the former secret name, as a sign of the adoption to come, in His Name.

1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God....Jhn 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you orphans: I will come to you.

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
1Cr 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

ev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.

Isa 49:1 "LISTEN, O coastlands, to Me,

And take heed, you peoples from afar!
The LORD has called Me from the womb;
From the matrix of My mother He has made mention of My name.
Isa 49:2 And He has made My mouth like a sharp sword;
In the shadow of His hand He has hidden Me,
And made Me a polished shaft;
In His quiver He has hidden Me."

Isa 49:3 "And He said to me,
'You are My servant, O Israel,
In whom I will be glorified.'
Isa 49:4 Then I said, 'I have labored in vain,
I have spent my strength for nothing and in vain;
Yet surely my just reward is with the LORD,
And my work with my God.'"

Isa 49:5 "And now the LORD says,
Who formed Me from the womb to be His Servant,
To bring Jacob back to Him,
So that Israel is gathered to Himhttp://www.blueletterbible.org/tools/printerFriendly.cfm?b=Isa&c=49&t=NKJV&x=12&y=13#_fnt_1
(For I shall be glorious in the eyes of the LORD,
And My God shall be My strength),
Isa 49:6 Indeed He says,
'It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob,
And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles,
That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.'"
 
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Every real, saved believer falls short in some area of believing scripture as they should.
The point of this thread will be -I hope- to show the absolute irrevocable fall of the prince/ruler with God called "Adam ben Elohym", and the absolute and total redemption made by the Kinsman/Redeemer, who was planned fromt he beginning to come to restore all things.
TE believers have a myth for a gospel which does not teach the need for restoration of all things to the incorruptible state of them before the fall of the one ben Elohym prince, Adam.

Israel, the New creation Man [who is YHWH the Word come in the flesh of second Man creation, and whom we call "Salvation" -transliterated to "Jesus"]; who is the Kinsman/Redeemer to Adam, who "marries the barren widow", and who raises up the firstborn seed in the name of the dead husband [Adam], so that the inheritance is not lost [and married within the legal boundaries of the time set to marry the widow and ransom the sold into corruption kingdom, biblically]; adopts all the dead seed as His own, becoming their "Everlasting Human Being Father", of the second human being creation. -The Firstborn and only begotten Son of Elohym of the human being kind.
The story of redemption [being bought back] in the Name of the New Man is lost to those who teach that the first man was never a glorious "ben Elohym" creation, who was made to rule the dominion created for him and given to him by the Creator; and who was made to be a temple for the Glory of YHWH to indwell by the building of the "house" for His glory; by multiplying of the seed created in his loins, as the Adam ben Elohym, made for that Glory to indwell.
Luke 3:38 ...Adam, son of God =ben Elohym.

Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner [stone], a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

The second Temple of human beings is built on that Foundation Stone of the New Man. Haggai 2 teaches us as an oracle about the first house, Adam, and its glory, and the second House, Israel [laid in Zion above [the heavenly Ishyah of the Spirit, called the Church, the mother of us all] on the 24th day of the ninth month [the eve of what is now Channakuh is the date of His incarnation in the womb of the virgin below, when the body was prepared of the second Man creation for his incarnation], which House is more glorious than the first because the second House' foundation is the Living Spirit, come in flesh, and the first house' foundation was Adam, the living soul.
Hag 2:9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.
 
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TE believers have a myth for a gospel which does not teach the need for restoration of all things to the incorruptible state of them before the fall of the one ben Elohym prince, Adam.

Don't know where you got that from.

I have generally found resistance from YECIsts (not all, but some) to the idea that redemption includes the restoration of all things. Many are committed to the belief that redemption refers only to humanity and all other things in creation are to be utterly destroyed. Humanity is then to be given a new heavens and a new earth.

I disagree with that. I do believe Christ came literally to save all the world, all of creation. As Paul says, it is the whole creation that longs in eagerness for the revealing of the sons of God. If that appearance meant its destruction rather than its release from futllity and decay, why would such longing exist?

So here I am, a TE who agrees with you that the gospel teaches the need for the restoration of all things to the uncorrupted Edenic state. And more--to a state of glory even greater than innocence.

Hence, your statement is in error in thinking that TEs lack this teaching of the gospel.
 
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Don't know where you got that from.

I have generally found resistance from YECIsts (not all, but some) to the idea that redemption includes the restoration of all things. Many are committed to the belief that redemption refers only to humanity and all other things in creation are to be utterly destroyed. Humanity is then to be given a new heavens and a new earth.

I disagree with that. I do believe Christ came literally to save all the world, all of creation. As Paul says, it is the whole creation that longs in eagerness for the revealing of the sons of God. If that appearance meant its destruction rather than its release from futllity and decay, why would such longing exist?

So here I am, a TE who agrees with you that the gospel teaches the need for the restoration of all things to the uncorrupted Edenic state. And more--to a state of glory even greater than innocence.

Hence, your statement is in error in thinking that TEs lack this teaching of the gospel.
Well -there is hope...

I get it from the teaching of TE that believes that "Adam" was nothing but an evolved, soulless beast, who was given a soul, but only after some untold eons of time of evolving and death, from the TE beginning.

The Word teaches us that Adam was created as a glorious vessel for the Glory, a ben Elohym -from the beginning; who fellowshipped daily, in person -face to face- before the fall, with God the Word. And who would have come into the appointed assemblies in the heavenlies, of the sons of God -the ben Elohym- if he had not fallen.
That is what Adam fell from and the glory he lost at the fall, and that is what the second Man is come to ransom us back for, in His own New Man name.


The Word teaches us that Adam has been devolving ever since the fall, with cycles of advancing to great technological heigths and being set back by dark ages, again and again -and history proves this is so; which set backs are brought about because of his evil imaginations and inventions. YHWH allows the setbacks and causes them, even, so that the seed can all come forth in their times, who are written in the Book of Life to be the adopted sons of God in the New Man name. -whosoever will.
 
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The point of this thread will be -I hope- to show the absolute irrevocable fall of the prince/ruler with God called "Adam ben Elohym", and the absolute and total redemption made by the Kinsman/Redeemer, who was planned fromt he beginning to come to restore all things.
TE believers have a myth for a gospel which does not teach the need for restoration of all things to the incorruptible state of them before the fall of the one ben Elohym prince, Adam.

Israel, the New creation Man [who is YHWH the Word come in the flesh of second Man creation, and whom we call "Salvation" -transliterated to "Jesus"]; who is the Kinsman/Redeemer to Adam, who "marries the barren widow", and who raises up the firstborn seed in the name of the dead husband [Adam], so that the inheritance is not lost [and married within the legal boundaries of the time set to marry the widow and ransom the sold into corruption kingdom, biblically]; adopts all the dead seed as His own, becoming their "Everlasting Human Being Father", of the second human being creation. -The Firstborn and only begotten Son of Elohym of the human being kind.
The story of redemption [being bought back] in the Name of the New Man is lost to those who teach that the first man was never a glorious "ben Elohym" creation, who was made to rule the dominion created for him and given to him by the Creator; and who was made to be a temple for the Glory of YHWH to indwell by the building of the "house" for His glory; by multiplying of the seed created in his loins, as the Adam ben Elohym, made for that Glory to indwell.
Luke 3:38 ...Adam, son of God =ben Elohym.

Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner [stone], a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

The second Temple of human beings is built on that Foundation Stone of the New Man. Haggai 2 teaches us as an oracle about the first house, Adam, and its glory, and the second House, Israel [laid in Zion above [the heavenly Ishyah of the Spirit, called the Church, the mother of us all] on the 24th day of the ninth month [the eve of what is now Channakuh is the date of His incarnation in the womb of the virgin below, when the body was prepared of the second Man creation for his incarnation], which House is more glorious than the first because the second House' foundation is the Living Spirit, come in flesh, and the first house' foundation was Adam, the living soul.
Hag 2:9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.

People around the world who maybe have a few pages of scripture, or maybe who never saw or read a Bible, who dont even know who Adam was, are saved every day by the knowledge of the Gospel.

I believe that the corruption of the first Adam was redeemed by the second Adam, Jesus. I think that is more or less what you are saying. But the point about TEs is not one about incompatibility with the Gospel.
 
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I disagree with that. I do believe Christ came literally to save all the world, all of creation

scripture please which supports this idea. all of scripture talks about Jesus coming to save the Humans who were lost in their sin. the rest of their creation does not have that choice granted to them
 
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People around the world who maybe have a few pages of scripture, or maybe who never saw or read a Bible, who dont even know who Adam was, are saved every day by the knowledge of the Gospel.

I believe that the corruption of the first Adam was redeemed by the second Adam, Jesus. I think that is more or less what you are saying. But the point about TEs is not one about incompatibility with the Gospel.
The corruption that enslaved the kingdom given to "Adam, son of God" is to be undone because of the blood of the Atonement, for sure.

Every person in the world is an Adam person/soul, born dead in spirit, dying -subject to corruption- and will die the second death, unless they are born again into the New Man Name of their own freewill while they have their being intact, after they are "aware" of their own will, and aware of right and wrong. Those who die before becoming awake and aware, and before doing good or evil with understanding of the will, are covered by the once for all Atonement of the Kinsman/Redeemer, and will be resurrected in His New Man image -but they get no rewards in the day of the judgment of the adopted sons of God.
 
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