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What is the CTCR?
Show us where it says that the CTCR has the authority to override Convention resolutions.
Like I said. You pick the insignificant unimportant aspects of what I post and say absolutely nothing on the rest of the article. No comments on relevency of Hartung's comments about taking things from the secular world and applying them to church polity. All you do is pick on a typing error.
I'm not going to answer any posts unless they are relevant to the article and will not answer any questions about typing mistakes. CTCR should have been CCM.
So what are you advocating? Any Lutheran church is already run like a business. Have been for years.. Hartung is a advocating departing for tradition which has been in effect for along time.How is anyone supposed to know that, Rad? Am I supposed to be a mind reader too??Unbelievable! 
As far as the "things from the secular world and applying them to church polity", that depends on the context of what he's talking about. If he is talking about aspects of the ministry, I agree with you that secularism has no business in the ministry. If he is talking about the organizational structure of the congregation, then I would need to know specifics of what he is referring to. A congregation in many respects needs to be run as a business. There are aspects of the congregational organization that exists in the secular world and has to deal with the secular world and thus needs to be operated as such. Some of these things are unique to congregations, communities, states, etc. I believe (this is my "opinion" now so there's no confusion) that is what Hartung was referring to. I think that Bruce is smarter than that to advocate what you and a few others seem to be accusing him of.
Is his aim to support PLI? If you support him is your aim to support PLI also?Hartung said:Whatever your congregation is considering organizationally might very well
be a departure from tradition.
So what are you advocating? Any Lutheran church is already run like a business. Have been for years.. Hartung is a advocating departing for tradition which has been in effect for along time. Is his aim to support PLI? If you support him is your aim to support PLI also?
Why don't you ask him what his aim is instead of assuming what it it?
The CTCR does have power to influence changes to resolutions made in conventions by the CTCR document about women from 2005 that suddenly wipes out a Synodical resolution that was adopted by more than a 2/3 majority four years earlier.
It's called "I'm the only one doing ANY homework on this site". Right,wrong or indifferent at least I'm doing it.DaRev said:It's called "political spin".
Well finally! You're going to research something out. At least this is taking a different spin.
The CTCR is like the Supreme Courts. They are the higher authority in the synod on theological issues. Synod and district conventions study and discussed the CTCR findings. Findingsare then studied in pastoral conferences, circuit conferences, teacher conferences, and within the congregations of our Synod. They have a very heavy influence on decision making policy and the findings are usually ratified by synod. They do all the leg work through their counsel and most findings are not quetioned that much because of lack of time. So in other words they are the power behind the synod, CCM, president and the BOD on all theological issues.
CTR'S "What We Do"
The Synod established the Commission on Theology and Church Relations in 1962 to provide leadership in dealing with the Synod's needs and opportunities in the areas of theology and church relations. Since that time, the Commission has provided reports on a number of significant theological issues and has been the Synod's primary agency for carrying out its ecumenical responsibilities toward other Christians through its membership in the International Lutheran Council. The Commission also provides resources and information regarding organizations, philosophies and religious movements. The Commission provided leadership for a model theological convocation held in 2002. Documents and statements from that convocation are available.
It's called "I'm the only one doing ANY homework on this site". Right,wrong or indifferent at least I'm doing it.
The board of CCM is appointed by Kieshnick. How convenient. They are trying to usurp the powers of the BOD. The CCM has introduced new changes that increase the authority of the President. CCM rulings have attempted to limit the BOD's constitutional
authority. There's apower struggle in LCMS between the CCM and the BOD. CCM usurpts the BOD's authority to make rulings even thought the BOD rejects and votes out the CCM's decisions the CCM still holds sway over decision making policy.
When the Board of Directors attempted to cut administrative and communication costs, and save missionary jobs, it appears that the Office of the President and the Board for Communication Services enlisted support from the CCM to preserve their own funding.
Read it again. I also said they have the power to influence decisions..This is true. I don't dispute the problem with this. But you were saying that the CTCR has the authority to override Synod convention resolutions, which they do not have. The CTCR and the CCM are two different things.
Read it again. I also said they have the power to influence decisions..
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