Good 'ol Herman

[RadMan]

YouTube - christiannewsmo's Channel

 

[tagyourit]

I didn't understand what he was saying about translations. He said the ESV is 91% RSV and all the problems associated with that, but what is the alternative that he or others use? Is it Luther's translation or NKJV? NAS?

edit: found my answer

christiannewsmo dot com/AAT.html

 

[DaRev]

I didn't understand what he was saying about translations. He said the ESV is 91% RSV and all the problems associated with that, but what is the alternative that he or others use? Is it Luther's translation or NKJV? NAS?

edit: found my answer

christiannewsmo dot com/AAT.html

Herman loves to hear himself talk. What you need to remember is that he owns the rights to the AAT and feels that the LCMS should have used it instead of the ESV (the translation and editing of which involved some LCMS scholars) for the new hymnal project. It's all very self serving.

 

[RadMan]

Herman loves to hear himself talk. What you need to remember is that he owns the rights to the AAT and feels that the LCMS should have used it instead of the ESV (the translation and editing of which involved some LCMS scholars) for the new hymnal project. It's all very self serving.

If you ever used the AAT for studying or reference you would say different. It is easy to understand and very accurate to the original languages and not a paraphrase. Otten only owns the rights to publishing it. Most of the proceeds go back to Beck's widow.

You're just jealous because he has his own web page and a huge following and you don't.

 

[Studeclunker]

Sorry, there are some of us who are an dial-up and can't tie up the phone line for hours at a time loading U-Tube. Could someone explain what's going on with Pastor Otten this time?

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Sorry, there are some of us who are an dial-up and can't tie up the phone line for hours at a time loading U-Tube. Could someone explain what's going on with Pastor Otten this time?

Be patient, you can read all about it in Christian News... if you really want to that is.

 

[seajoy]

If you ever used the AAT for studying or reference you would say different. It is easy to understand and very accurate to the original languages and not a paraphrase. Otten only owns the rights to publishing it. Most of the proceeds go back to Beck's widow.

My husband really likes reading the AAT bible. You can order it from NPH (WELS publishing house).
Some things that are said about Otten may be true, but I think we need to be careful in just condemning the man for the sake condemning.

 

[RadMan]

Sorry, there are some of us who are an dial-up and can't tie up the phone line for hours at a time loading U-Tube. Could someone explain what's going on with Pastor Otten this time?

Christian News Online

 

[DaRev]

If you ever used the AAT for studying or reference you would say different. It is easy to understand and very accurate to the original languages and not a paraphrase.

I've read the AAT and it's a very clunky read. I'm not arguing it's accuracy.

You're just jealous because he has his own web page and a huge following and you don't.

Oh, good grief!! His following isn't as "huge" as he thinks it is. In fact, it's shrinking all the time.

 

[Studeclunker]

Thank you for the link, Rad. I take it that Christian News is Herman Otten's publication? The man seriously needs a beta reader on his staff. His articles, though well done, are loaded with grammatical and typographical errors. Enough errors to be detraction to their message. If one is going to take on the liberals, one needs to do so in a way that doesn't make them look silly. Elsewise, outsiders won't take them seriously.

Reverend, I understand your side of this debate. However, you must admit that the liberals have usurped the leadership in the LCMS. Exactly what Otten predicted would happen. If you and other pastors continue to marginalize these voices of dissention to the liberal leadership, you will end up with an organization like the E*CA and wonder how you got there. These liberal Pastors must be defrocked! The lot of them should have been back during the Seminex scandal! A little leven levens the lump, sir, and these people have had forty years to work!

I think a great deal of Hermann Otten's combative style and bombastic writing comes from frustration. He has been fighting this battle from his years in seminary, thirty to forty years! The liberals keep making inroads to the leadership and, by all appearances, have won the field. That would make anyone in their right mind furious. Sadly, too many good pastors are advocating the gentle, peaceful, approach and have led the LCMS down the garden path. The Synod is in serious trouble from not rooting out the liberals in the first place!

Finally, the convention has elected a conservative president. Now, we can watch to see if he will do what's right, or what's convenient and comfortable, like his predecessors.

 

[RadMan]

Thank you for the link, Rad. I take it that Christian News is Herman Otten's publication? The man seriously needs a beta reader on his staff. His articles, though well done, are loaded with grammatical and typographical errors. Enough errors to be detraction to their message. If one is going to take on the liberals, one needs to do so in a way that doesn't make them look silly. Elsewise, outsiders won't take them seriously.

Reverend, I understand your side of this debate. However, you must admit that the liberals have usurped the leadership in the LCMS. Exactly what Otten predicted would happen. If you and other pastors continue to marginalize these voices of dissention to the liberal leadership, you will end up with an organization like the E*CA and wonder how you got there. These liberal Pastors must be defrocked! The lot of them should have been back during the Seminex scandal! A little leven levens the lump, sir, and these people have had forty years to work!

I think a great deal of Hermann Otten's combative style and bombastic writing comes from frustration. He has been fighting this battle from his years in seminary, thirty to forty years! The liberals keep making inroads to the leadership and, by all appearances, have won the field. That would make anyone in their right mind furious. Sadly, too many good pastors are advocating the gentle, peaceful, approach and have led the LCMS down the garden path. The Synod is in serious trouble from not rooting out the liberals in the first place!

Finally, the convention has elected a conservative president. Now, we can watch to see if he will do what's right, or what's convenient and comfortable, like his predecessors.

It's not only a proof reader but he also needs an editor to keep his comments and articles more focused. He actually writes, copies and does the layout for all the articles every week and this monumental task is overloading his paper. How in the world he does it every week for 45 years I'll never know. He has encyclopedic knowledge and photographic memory but he wanders in his articles. Sometimes its hard to know if he's advocating something when he puts in comments from other sources and posts blogs, letters and articles from opposing viewpoints. I've mentioned this to him but it's hard to get through to 45 yrs of ingrained publishing. I'm amazed how he runs the newspaper, publishing company and his church and does it successfully. IMO

I read somewhere that Pres Harrison is trying a placating strategy with the opposition called something like "Koinonia". It's supposed to open talks between the oppositions. I think kicking b-tt and routing out the heresies and heterodoxy would be more in order. Might lead to a split but maybe that's what is needed.



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[DaRev]

Reverend, I understand your side of this debate. However, you must admit that the liberals have usurped the leadership in the LCMS. Exactly what Otten predicted would happen. If you and other pastors continue to marginalize these voices of dissention to the liberal leadership, you will end up with an organization like the E*CA and wonder how you got there. These liberal Pastors must be defrocked! The lot of them should have been back during the Seminex scandal! A little leven levens the lump, sir, and these people have had forty years to work!

Part of the reason that the liberals have had that leadership is because of Otten and his splitting of the conservative camp for so long. He's of the opinion that unless you agree 100% with his viewpoints then you are 100% liberal. We are now getting past his schismatic influence and the confessional side of synod is uniting again. The man has repeatedly misrepresented facts and published things that are out and out false. I certainly cannot find him credible in much of anything he says. And the majority of the confessional side of synod has seen this as well.

 

[Tangible]

It appears to me that with the election of Rev. Harrison the confessionals are staging a comeback - thank God. Personally I believe this is happening in spite of Otten, not because of him.

We have a long way to go.

 

[RadMan]

Part of the reason that the liberals have had that leadership is because of Otten and his splitting of the conservative camp for so long. He's of the opinion that unless you agree 100% with his viewpoints then you are 100% liberal. We are now getting past his schismatic influence and the confessional side of synod is uniting again. The man has repeatedly misrepresented facts and published things that are out and out false. I certainly cannot find him credible in much of anything he says. And the majority of the confessional side of synod has seen this as well.

You know you guys have no idea what you are talking about. Otten has made a few mistakes just like you have and he usually retracts them in his newspaper. Talk about sinning against the eight commandment.

Instead of bashing him you could email him and tell him of his error and he WILL retract his statement.

 

[filosofer]

If you ever used the AAT for studying or reference you would say different. It is easy to understand and very accurate to the original languages and not a paraphrase. Otten only owns the rights to publishing it. Most of the proceeds go back to Beck's widow.

AAT is very good. There are errors in the 4th edition. I sent an email ~2 years ago to him and pointed out the one in Psalm 8. Also, the inaccurate translation in Ephesians 5:22. Never heard anything from him.

Actually the AAT was in revision starting in 1986; it was called God's Word to the Nations, then changed to New Evangelical Translation (NET), with the first NT published in 1988 and revised in 1992. It was excellent. But then the translation leadership and team changed and when it was published in 1995 as God's Word, it wasn't nearly as good. The best part of GW is the layout in which everything is single column (like AAT), but it is laid out according Hebrew structure. Unfortunately suggestions to revise the GW translation have fallen on deaf ears.

Actually a good combination is ESV/NAS/NKJV and AAT. AAT is better than GW and NLT and any other such translation on the market.

 

[RadMan]

AAT is very good. There are errors in the 4th edition. I sent an email ~2 years ago to him and pointed out the one in Psalm 8. Also, the inaccurate translation in Ephesians 5:22. Never heard anything from him.

Actually the AAT was in revision starting in 1986; it was called God's Word to the Nations, then changed to New Evangelical Translation (NET), with the first NT published in 1988 and revised in 1992. It was excellent. But then the translation leadership and team changed and when it was published in 1995 as God's Word, it wasn't nearly as good. The best part of GW is the layout in which everything is single column (like AAT), but it is laid out according Hebrew structure. Unfortunately suggestions to revise the GW translation have fallen on deaf ears.

Actually a good combination is ESV/NAS/NKJV and AAT. AAT is better than GW and NLT and any other such translation on the market.

From what I remember God's Word is a branch off/knock off of AAT because AAT is such a good translation. I'm going to have to refresh myself on that info.

 

[filosofer]

From what I remember God's Word is a branch off/knock off of AAT because AAT is such a good translation.

Yeah, that's what I just wrote - that second step is what caused the problems with GW; GW was a revision that got revised before publication.

I was reviewing the NET translation from 1987 - 1992, and our congregations were test congregations; then again when it was renamed God's Word (GW) 1993-1995, and changed translation approach. Our congregation at the time was not happy with the latest revision in 1995.

 

[DaRev]

You know you guys have no idea what you are talking about. Otten has made a few mistakes just like you have and he usually retracts them in his newspaper. Talk about sinning against the eight commandment.

Instead of bashing him you could email him and tell him of his error and he WILL retract his statement.

I'm only stating facts. His errors have been pointed out to him by others. He's even printed such letters to him in his paper, but instead of correcting his errors, he belittles those who try to point them out to him.

 

[DaRev]

My husband really likes reading the AAT bible. You can order it from NPH (WELS publishing house).

I tried to order one from NPH recently but they were out of stock.

 

[RadMan]

I'm only stating facts. His errors have been pointed out to him by others. He's even printed such letters to him in his paper, but instead of correcting his errors, he belittles those who try to point them out to him.

That's not true. Prove it. Again-----another eight commandment problem.