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God's wrath.

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Why are so many people acting like when bad things happen its God's wrath? Everything bad which happens seems to have an identifiable cause, usually human idiocy or malice, and effect. Is it moral to blame God for such things?
Good question. :)

I'll take it a step further....Why does God get credit for when good things happen? There are equally identifiable causes for good things too, and require no divine explanation.
 
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Buddhism teaches to be thankful in all things. If something bad happens, you are thankful. If something good happens, you are thankful.

It never made sense to me until I meditated and gave thanks. I simply repeated "thank you." At first, it began, "thanks a lot for my money problems. Yeah, they are great. It's just what I wanted. Thanks for my job situation. I really love worry." And then, after I got the anger out, I simply said, Thank you, Thank you, and soon, I was saying, "Thank you that when I have money problems, I still have enough food to eat, because so many people don't. Thank you that I'm sleeping in a warm apartment, in a wonderful bed. Thank you that I'm safe. Thank you that my health is good, and I can enjoy life."

I became humble and thankful, and so happy about what I had forgotten, the wonders of gifts given to me.

The bible says the same - in all things, to give thanksgiving. Unfortunately, even the preacher at times will see things in terms of Reward and Punishment. You will hear a Christian, whose child was hit by a car and in the hospital, asking why God is punishing them, and recounting their steps.

I don't believe that God works that way. In fact, if bad things didn't happen, I don't think we would grow. You know how there are kids that have to work as a paperboy or babysitting, and continue into their adult life, and there are others who don't have to pay for anything? Sometimes, those that have the most are the stingiest, the most arrogant, the least friendly, the most condescending.

Buddhism also teaches that your worst enemy is your best teacher. On another site, the Christians there were verbally and spiritually abusive. They claimed that God hates gay people, and I was often the focus of attacks (me personally, not just gay people.) It hurt often, but after deep meditation, I saw that I was given a gift. If you want to learn love, God doesn't just change you. He gives you an opportunity to really test and strengthen your love. I had to bless my enemies, and return curse with blessing. I had to conquer my anger. I had to conquer self-hatred. I had to rise above some really filthy language, and speak from my head, and not my emotions. It was really hard, but eventually, I began to see that I was truly a new creation.

You have to realize that in all things, there is something to learn, and then, even "God's Wrath" will come to you as a teacher, and you will be thankful.
 
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Buddhism teaches to be thankful in all things. If something bad happens, you are thankful. If something good happens, you are thankful.

It never made sense to me until I meditated and gave thanks. I simply repeated "thank you." At first, it began, "thanks a lot for my money problems. Yeah, they are great. It's just what I wanted. Thanks for my job situation. I really love worry." And then, after I got the anger out, I simply said, Thank you, Thank you, and soon, I was saying, "Thank you that when I have money problems, I still have enough food to eat, because so many people don't. Thank you that I'm sleeping in a warm apartment, in a wonderful bed. Thank you that I'm safe. Thank you that my health is good, and I can enjoy life."

I became humble and thankful, and so happy about what I had forgotten, the wonders of gifts given to me.

The bible says the same - in all things, to give thanksgiving. Unfortunately, even the preacher at times will see things in terms of Reward and Punishment. You will hear a Christian, whose child was hit by a car and in the hospital, asking why God is punishing them, and recounting their steps.

I don't believe that God works that way. In fact, if bad things didn't happen, I don't think we would grow. You know how there are kids that have to work as a paperboy or babysitting, and continue into their adult life, and there are others who don't have to pay for anything? Sometimes, those that have the most are the stingiest, the most arrogant, the least friendly, the most condescending.

Buddhism also teaches that your worst enemy is your best teacher. On another site, the Christians there were verbally and spiritually abusive. They claimed that God hates gay people, and I was often the focus of attacks (me personally, not just gay people.) It hurt often, but after deep meditation, I saw that I was given a gift. If you want to learn love, God doesn't just change you. He gives you an opportunity to really test and strengthen your love. I had to bless my enemies, and return curse with blessing. I had to conquer my anger. I had to conquer self-hatred. I had to rise above some really filthy language, and speak from my head, and not my emotions. It was really hard, but eventually, I began to see that I was truly a new creation.

You have to realize that in all things, there is something to learn, and then, even "God's Wrath" will come to you as a teacher, and you will be thankful.

That's a great post. Even though I don't believe in God, I think there is some great advice in what you wrote.


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Why are so many people acting like when bad things happen its God's wrath? Everything bad which happens seems to have an identifiable cause, usually human idiocy or malice, and effect. Is it moral to blame God for such things?
Because that's the way superstition works in a mono theistic religion. Everything has a meaning, and the center of all that meaning is the one god.

Who are you to say that god isn't responsible?
 
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What if God's wrath happens in smaller measures than hurricaines and lightning bolts? Maybe when we defy God his wrath comes in smaller doses like expensive divorces, a case or two of HIV, financial debt, or a teenage pregnancy? Most all of which we play a big hand into choosing to trap ourselves into if we make those choices.

or even the common cold, or depression, or anything in deut 28

Deu 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
Deu 28:16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
Deu 28:17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
Deu 28:18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
Deu 28:19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
Deu 28:20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
Deu 28:21 The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
Deu 28:22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
Deu 28:23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
Deu 28:24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
Deu 28:25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
Deu 28:26 And thy carcass shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall frighten them away.
Deu 28:27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
Deu 28:28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
Deu 28:29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
Deu 28:30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build a house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
Deu 28:31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
Deu 28:32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.
Deu 28:33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labors, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed always:
Deu 28:34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
Deu 28:35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
Deu 28:36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
Deu 28:37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.
Deu 28:38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
Deu 28:39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
Deu 28:40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
Deu 28:41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
Deu 28:42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
Deu 28:43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
Deu 28:44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
Deu 28:45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
Deu 28:46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed forever.
Deu 28:47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
Deu 28:48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
Deu 28:49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
Deu 28:50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor show favor to the young:
Deu 28:51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
Deu 28:52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
Deu 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
Deu 28:54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
Deu 28:55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
Deu 28:56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
Deu 28:57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
Deu 28:58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;
Deu 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.
Deu 28:60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.
Deu 28:61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
Deu 28:62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God.
Deu 28:63 And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to naught; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.
Deu 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
Deu 28:65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:
Deu 28:66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:
Deu 28:67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
Deu 28:68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spoke unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.
 
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or even the common cold

Why is it then that when I take my vitamins regularly I get fewer colds? Is not taking vitamins a sin? Whenever I get a cold, is God angry with me? Am I fending off God's wrath with mere vitamins?

Please don't bother yourself answering with Bible quotes. I don't bother reading them. I'm only interested in what you have to say.


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Somehow, I doubt that you are.

Luk 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

I do not despise you. I am interested in holding a conversation with you. I am interested in what you have to say. I am not interested in blindly believing what you have to say.

There's no need for you to be so distrustful of other people's intentions. And, if you are, why bother saying anything at all?


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Why is it then that when I take my vitamins regularly I get fewer colds? Is not taking vitamins a sin? Whenever I get a cold, is God angry with me? Am I fending off God's wrath with mere vitamins?

Please don't bother yourself answering with Bible quotes. I don't bother reading them. I'm only interested in what you have to say.


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Don't forget other simple acts like washing your hands. Soap does a great job of warding off bacteria and viruses.

What walloffire is going is just giving his god credit for what he doesn't understand. It's no different than people believing that illness (including mental illness) is brought on by demons.
 
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Don't forget other simple acts like washing your hands. Soap does a great job of warding off bacteria and viruses.

What walloffire is going is just giving his god credit for what he doesn't understand. It's no different than people believing that illness (including mental illness) is brought on by demons.
Agreed. That sort of thinking is medieval and backwards.
 
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Buddhism teaches to be thankful in all things. If something bad happens, you are thankful. If something good happens, you are thankful.

It never made sense to me until I meditated and gave thanks. I simply repeated "thank you." At first, it began, "thanks a lot for my money problems. Yeah, they are great. It's just what I wanted. Thanks for my job situation. I really love worry." And then, after I got the anger out, I simply said, Thank you, Thank you, and soon, I was saying, "Thank you that when I have money problems, I still have enough food to eat, because so many people don't. Thank you that I'm sleeping in a warm apartment, in a wonderful bed. Thank you that I'm safe. Thank you that my health is good, and I can enjoy life."

I became humble and thankful, and so happy about what I had forgotten, the wonders of gifts given to me.

The bible says the same - in all things, to give thanksgiving. Unfortunately, even the preacher at times will see things in terms of Reward and Punishment. You will hear a Christian, whose child was hit by a car and in the hospital, asking why God is punishing them, and recounting their steps.

I don't believe that God works that way. In fact, if bad things didn't happen, I don't think we would grow. You know how there are kids that have to work as a paperboy or babysitting, and continue into their adult life, and there are others who don't have to pay for anything? Sometimes, those that have the most are the stingiest, the most arrogant, the least friendly, the most condescending.

Buddhism also teaches that your worst enemy is your best teacher. On another site, the Christians there were verbally and spiritually abusive. They claimed that God hates gay people, and I was often the focus of attacks (me personally, not just gay people.) It hurt often, but after deep meditation, I saw that I was given a gift. If you want to learn love, God doesn't just change you. He gives you an opportunity to really test and strengthen your love. I had to bless my enemies, and return curse with blessing. I had to conquer my anger. I had to conquer self-hatred. I had to rise above some really filthy language, and speak from my head, and not my emotions. It was really hard, but eventually, I began to see that I was truly a new creation.

You have to realize that in all things, there is something to learn, and then, even "God's Wrath" will come to you as a teacher, and you will be thankful.
While I also think that this is a good post and a worthy view on this topic, I cannot fully agree with it.

You CAN indeed sometimes learn from "bad things" - but sometimes they break you. Sometimes you can rack your mind and cannot find anything good from a situation.

Money problems? Be thankful that you have enough to eat! But what if you don´t have enough? What if everything fails?

So I have learned (you might consider this learning from bad) that sometimes excrement happens. The most important lesson I learned from that: it is not meant to happen.

Excrement happens. Good things happen. Stuff happens. Neither of it is God´s wrath or God´s blessings.
 
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Why are so many people acting like when bad things happen its God's wrath? Everything bad which happens seems to have an identifiable cause, usually human idiocy or malice, and effect. Is it moral to blame God for such things?

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] but do not look to the Holy One of Israel, or seek help from the Lord. 2 Yet he too is wise and can bring disaster; he does not take back his words. He will rise up against the house of the wicked, against those who help evildoers. --Is. 31

He can save and He can also bring DISASTER!

YES: the Twin Towers, hurricane Katrina, AIDS, the SoCal Fires... ect.. are all but small showings of the Wrath of God.

Remember please, that there are 2 types of God's wrath. One is God's hand of blessing being taken away from you. The other is His active hand of judgment coming directly against you.

Right now all the above "disasters" are still in the first category. We have yet to see God's direct hand of judgment and wrath. You will definitely know when that hits!!! Believe that.:eek::eek::eek:


SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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Then there is the Wrath of God that deals with the personal level where we live. Let's let brother Jonathan Edwards do the honors:


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The bow of God's wrath is bent, and the arrow made ready on the string, and justice bends the arrow at your heart, and strains the bow, and it is nothing but the mere pleasure of God, and that of an angry God, without any promise or obligation at all, that keeps the arrow one moment from being made drunk with your blood. Thus all you that never passed under a great change of heart,
by the mighty power of the Spirit of God upon your souls; all you that were never born again, and made new creatures, and raised from being dead in sin, to a state of new, and before altogether unexperienced light and life, are in the hands of an angry God. However you may have reformed your life in many things, and may have had religious affections, and may keep up a form of religion in your families and closets, and in the house of God, it is nothing but his mere pleasure that keeps you from being this moment swallowed up in everlasting destruction. However unconvinced you may now be of the truth of what you hear, by and by you will be fully convinced of it. Those that are gone from being in the like circumstances with you, see that it was so with them; for destruction came suddenly upon most of them; when they expected nothing of it, and while they were saying, Peace and safety: now they see, that those things on which they depended for peace and safety, were nothing but thin air and empty shadows.
The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment. It is to be ascribed to nothing else, that you did not go to hell the last night; that you was suffered to awake again in this world, after you closed your eyes to sleep. And there is no other reason to be given, why you have not dropped into hell since you arose in the morning, but that God's hand has held you up. There is no other reason to be given why you have not gone to hell, since you have sat here in the house of God, provoking his pure eyes by your sinful wicked manner of attending his solemn worship. Yea, there is nothing else that is to be given as a reason why you do not this very moment drop down into hell.
O sinner! Consider the fearful danger you are in: it is a great furnace of wrath, a wide and bottomless pit, full of the fire of wrath, that you are held over in the hand of that God, whose wrath is provoked and incensed as much against you, as against many of the damned in hell. You hang by a slender thread, with the flames of divine wrath flashing about it, and ready every moment to singe it, and burn it asunder; and you have no interest in any Mediator, and nothing to lay hold of to save yourself, nothing to keep off the flames of wrath, nothing of your own, nothing that you ever have done, nothing that you can do, to induce God to spare you one moment.

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These are some serious words that should be looked at a few times to let it sink in.
 
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During Saruman's confrontation with Gandalf, the palantír of Orthanc fell into the hands of the Fellowship. In The Return of the King, Aragorn, the heir of Isildur and thus rightful owner of the palantír, exploited it to create a ruse which he hoped would distract Sauron long enough to allow Frodo to reach Mount Doom and destroy the Ring. Sauron was led to believe that Aragorn had (or would soon have) the Ring. Sauron therefore attacked sooner than he had planned by sending an army commanded by his strongest servant, the Witch-king of Angmar, to overthrow Minas Tirith. (See Battle of the Pelennor Fields.)

Although Sauron's invaders were destroyed, he still had sufficient armies in reserve to recover his strength and, over the long term, win the war. He was outwitted, however, by Gandalf, who urged the captains of the West to march on the gates of Mordor in another action to divert the Dark Lord's attention long enough to allow Frodo to reach Mount Doom. The battle was joined and went very poorly for the West.


The Shadow of Sauron by Ted Nasmith.


Frodo, meanwhile, reached his goal, but he failed at the last moment. Unable to resist the power of the Ring, he put it on his finger and claimed it for his own. At that moment Sauron discerned the truth and turned his gaze to Mount Doom, sending his remaining Nazgûl to capture the Ring. The attempt was futile, however: Gollum attacked Frodo and bit the Ring from his finger, but lost his footing and fell with it into the fire.

At the Ring's destruction, Sauron's power was immediately broken and his form in Middle-earth was destroyed. His departing spirit towered above Mordor like a black cloud, but was blown away by a powerful wind from the West. Barad-dûr crumbled and Sauron was permanently crippled.

Gandalf had predicted what the destruction of the Ring would mean to Sauron: "If it is destroyed, then he will fall, and his fall will be so low that none can foresee his arising ever again. For he will lose the best part of the strength that was native to him in his beginning, and all that was made or begun with that power will crumble, and he will be maimed for ever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape. And so a great evil of this world will be removed." (The Return of the King, from the chapter The Last Debate.)

Tolkien noted that Sauron was said "to have fallen below the point of ever recovering, though he had previously recovered. What is probably meant is that a 'wicked' spirit becomes fixed in a certain desire or ambition, and if it cannot repent then this desire becomes virtually its whole being. But the desire may be wholly beyond the weakness it has fallen to, and it will then be unable to withdraw its attention from the unobtainable desire, even to attend to itself. It will then remain for ever in impotent desire or memory of desire" .[17] Thus Sauron was "damned" in the sense that he was "reduced to impotence, infinitely recessive".[18]

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These are some serious words that should be looked at a few times to let it sink in.
 
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Don't forget other simple acts like washing your hands. Soap does a great job of warding off bacteria and viruses.

What walloffire is going is just giving his god credit for what he doesn't understand. It's no different than people believing that illness (including mental illness) is brought on by demons.

Yet when Christ removed the demon from someone, whattya know, they were in their right mind again. But I take it you don't believe the finger of God can drive out demons in the name of Jesus or that it has any real or lasting effect.

As for vitamins and soap, use as much as you want, it will not keep away the curse. Only the blood of Jesus can remove the curse, for he became a curse for us on the cross, taking the curse away, and giving us eternal life through faith in his name.

What walloffire is going is just giving his god credit for what he doesn't understand.

And, just to let you know, I understand. I simply reject your hypothesis as false.
 
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Yet when Christ removed the demon from someone, whattya know, they were in their right mind again. But I take it you don't believe the finger of God can drive out demons in the name of Jesus or that it has any real or lasting effect.

I think you'll find a great degree of skepticism here over the claim that your "demons" exist. This isn't to say that people with mental problems aren't cured through Christian beliefs, but this doesn't clearly have anything to do with "demons".


eudaimonia,

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I think you'll find a great degree of skepticism here over the claim that your "demons" exist. This isn't to say that people with mental problems aren't cured through Christian beliefs, but this doesn't clearly have anything to do with "demons".


eudaimonia,

Mark
Exactly, demons are a figment of the imagination. They're as fake as leprechauns and harpies.
 
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