God's wrath.

[Vene]

Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

There, God asked you to. The son of man, Jesus, asks (nay, commands) you to repent, or ye shall all likewise perish.

Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

No, those are passages from a book thousands of years old that has been translated multiple times. And meaning is lost in translation.

For example:
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

I am now using Babelfish to translate it to Japanese

その時間からイエス・キリストは匍匐性説教し、言い始めた: 天国のために手もとがある。

And now back to English.

From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say and Repent: For the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

And suddenly it's Jesus who is repenting.

 

[bunced]

Yeah, but your argument is flawed because Babelfish is a rubbish translator.

If I was rendering something from French into English, I would be able to maintain 99.9% of the accuracy of meaning even over huge texts because I know both languages really well.

Yes, by all means there are probably some translator errors, but no-where near to the extent you described

 

[Vene]

Yeah, but your argument is flawed because Babelfish is a rubbish translator.

If I was rendering something from French into English, I would be able to maintain 99.9% of the accuracy of meaning even over huge texts because I know both languages really well.

Yes, by all means there are probably some translator errors, but no-where near to the extent you described

True, but when I see some saying that there is no way for meaning to be lost because God ensures it will be perfectly preserved even a garbage translator should work. And the small errors can easily grow into large errors after 2000 years of translations.

And who else thinks this belongs in GA?

 

[bunced]

True, but when I see some saying that there is no way for meaning to be lost because God ensures it will be perfectly preserved even a garbage translator should work.

Agreed to some extent

And the small errors can easily grow into large errors after 2000 years of translations.

Disagreed, because most translations go back to the original source and other supporting documents from the time, so if anything we should be getting more accurate as we discover more documents from the era and therefore improve our understanding of the subtleties of the languages

By the way, your signature cracks me up every time I see it Love the point you make through it

 

[Vene]

Agreed to some extent

That was my main point.

Disagreed, because most translations go back to the original source and other supporting documents from the time, so if anything we should be getting more accurate as we discover more documents from the era and therefore improve our understanding of the subtleties of the languages

Then that is conceded. I'm not a linguist. I know chemistry and biology better than languages.

By the way, your signature cracks me up every time I see it Love the point you make through it

I'm glad you like it.

 

[StarCannon]

Disagreed, because most translations go back to the original source and other supporting documents from the time, so if anything we should be getting more accurate as we discover more documents from the era and therefore improve our understanding of the subtleties of the languages

Intentional distortion is still possible.

 

[walloffire]

Intentional distortion is still possible.

You should know all about intentional distortion!

 

[StarCannon]

You should know all about intentional distortion!

Oh, moi? No, never! Hah. *snickers* Ah, yes. You amuse me, WallOfFire. But in this instance, translations can be intentionally distorted. Subtle mistranslations can end up as one huge FUBAR in idea. Or, in the case of humans, we could saw what we assume the text means. Which works just as well since most people are of the variety that doesn't look too closely at their own beliefs and doctrines and assumptions.

 

[walloffire]

Oh, moi? No, never! Hah. *snickers* Ah, yes. You amuse me, WallOfFire. But in this instance, translations can be intentionally distorted. Subtle mistranslations can end up as one huge FUBAR in idea. Or, in the case of humans, we could saw what we assume the text means. Which works just as well since most people are of the variety that doesn't look too closely at their own beliefs and doctrines and assumptions.

I'm glad we could play. I've examined mine thoroughly and read what its based on, and I couldn't agree more with every word written, even down to the last unicorn.

Isa 34:5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
Isa 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.
Isa 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompenses for the controversy of Zion.

I can dig it. I struggled with it for long enough, but its just too obvious that God exists.

 

[walloffire]

Subtle mistranslations can end up as one huge FUBAR in idea.

yea, just see "The Message" translation, er paraphrase. or something. hardly a translation. its like translating the kjv into ebonics

"check it, do what i do, all my homies be up here in my eternal crib yo"

Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

 

[StarCannon]

I can dig it. I struggled with it for long enough, but its just too obvious that God exists.

God exists indeed, but the definition of god is what we disagree with.

 

[StarCannon]

yea, just see "The Message" translation, er paraphrase. or something. hardly a translation. its like translating the kjv into ebonics

Something like that, yeah

 

[uberd00b]

Subtle mistranslations can end up as one huge FUBAR in idea.

Kind of like "young lady" being translated as "virgin"?

 

[walloffire]

or how some people read the Bible to make it say "do whatever you want"