Why are so many people acting like when bad things happen its God's wrath? Everything bad which happens seems to have an identifiable cause, usually human idiocy or malice, and effect. Is it moral to blame God for such things?
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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
God's wrath.
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ONLY christans do this. Look at the current "wrath" thread by SOF. Is it moral? Only you guys can decide.
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In general, it seems both good and bad happenings can often be attributed to human beings. Often, problems can be traced back to human error, stupidity, carelessness or selfishness, and good things are usually the result of human skill, ability, dedication and love. I don't tend to believe that God intermittently messes things up to demonstrate "wrath"; I have a hard time with the concept of an angry God who delights in messing things up for his creation out of uncontrollable anger, as that just does not seem divine to me. I like to think now that God has a plan for things, and whether things appear good or bad in our understanding it is all leading to the correct destination, but I don't believe that God has emotional outbursts and either screws things up or improves them randomly.
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Remember when God used Hurricane Katrina to smite all those sinners in New Orleans for being too poor, and too gay? Or the recent wildfires in California for being too liberal, and too gay? Or the Christmas tsunami for being too non-Christian, and probably too gay? Or how God continually smites American soldiers because their country is too gay? I guess when Christians informed us that these were all because of God's wrath, we got into a pattern of looking for God's wrath.
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That and, geology, meteorology, biology, history, logic, rational thinking, statistics, and probability are hard.
Yeah, who has the time with that garbage when we all know godidit?
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I thougt it was because we kicked god out of our schools. Apparently god has a thing for schools.
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I might not be the right person to answer this because I don´t believe in gods in the first place, but it seems somewhat coherent to do that for those who act like when good things happen it´s god´s grace or benevolence.
Yes, things - good or bad - have identifiable causes and effects (although I don´t think that they are of human origin more often than not), so the idea of a god is by and large irrelevant for these issues.
Moral? I don´t see a morality problem here. It´s what you get when you tell people there is an omniscient omnipotent creator god.
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Usually potential danger (such as Noah's Ark, or believe it or not, people still quote S&G fire falling from the sky, although they have never witnessed it) to keep people afraid and have power and control.
They are often used to blame others (Robertson's speech on how gays and feminists were the real cause of 9/11).
Lying in the name a Jesus. Anything for je$u$, our Personal Lord and $aviour
They are often used to blame others (Robertson's speech on how gays and feminists were the real cause of 9/11).
Lying in the name a Jesus. Anything for je$u$, our Personal Lord and $aviour
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What if God's wrath happens in smaller measures than hurricaines and lightning bolts? Maybe when we defy God his wrath comes in smaller doses like expensive divorces, a case or two of HIV, financial debt, or a teenage pregnancy? Most all of which we play a big hand into choosing to trap ourselves into if we make those choices.
The new George Clooney movie has a scene where he talks to his son about people who seem to have 'stuff' always falling out of the sky onto them and they never seem to understand why. Do we give God too much credit?
The new George Clooney movie has a scene where he talks to his son about people who seem to have 'stuff' always falling out of the sky onto them and they never seem to understand why. Do we give God too much credit?
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Fine, I'll turn it into a morality problem.
What if believers decide not to prevent or prepare for "acts of God", and in doing so allow death and destruction?
If you believe that only God can cause a flood, will you bother to repair the levees in a nearby river? What if you believe that preventing or preparing for the "wrath of God" is futile because God is onmipotent?
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Then why is God's wrath so capricious? Babies get HIV/AIDS. Children get leukemia and brain tumors. What wicked choices did they make to earn God's wrath? One of the first structures destroyed in the California wildfires was a Presbyterian Church. Despite what we'd like to think, there is often no rhyme or reason for what happens. Ultimately, events in the universe are mostly random.
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I'm with you part of the way. I'd say most things are not random but many of them are. The bell curve seems to point to this.
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