God's Sabbath rest is not a weekly seventh day rest

[stuart lawrence]

Hi Bob,

Let's agree to disagree my friend. I see no matter how much scripture I share with you that it will make no difference to you. I also notice you sometimes take my quotes out of context and try to put an interpretation on them that is not what I am saying (e.g. just one example below)


You have made your mind up in what you believe and that is between you and God. Jesus says; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. You are entitled to believe anything you like. I do not judge you for your belief. It is God's Word however that will judge between all of us in the last days. All I can do is to share God's Word with you.

From Genesis to Revelations the Judgements of God have only ever been given to mankind over SIN. As it was in the days of Noah and Sodom.... God tells us that SIN is the transgression of God's Laws and the wages of sin is death and that all of us will stand before the Judgement seat of God to answer for the things that we have done on this earth. Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. The 7th Day Sabbath is one of God's 10 commandments. If you knowingly and willfully break it you commit sin and are guilty before God. These are God's Words not mine. You believe God or you do not. This decision is up to you.

I am just wondering if anyone knows the meaning of these scriptures?

Heb 6:4-6,
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Heb 10:26-27,
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

In Christ Always!

In regard to Heb 6:4-6:

If we disown him
He must also disown us
If we are faithless
He remains faithful
Fir he cannot disown himself
2Tim2:12&13

Must read the Bible as a cohesive whole!
Heb10:26
ONLY applies to people who know the truth!

Sin is the transgression of the law
1John3:4
Therefore if you observe the law you do not commit sin, if you fail to observe the law you do commit sin:

Therefore no one will be justified/ righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

Therefore anyone who says the believer remains saved/ righteous before God if they don't commit sin doesn't understand the truth. Therefore heb10:26 doesn't apply to them!

Personally speaking, I have known no Christian to fall away who understood the truth, and they have best reflected in their lives what Christ termed the higher points of the law.
Many have fallen away sadly, who did not understand the truth. They believed they could only remain saved if they did not commit sin/ transgress the law. Therefore that was their righteousness before God

 

[Bob S]

LGW, what does "transient" mean and what does "was" mean? What does accomplish mean. Did Jesus accomplish all He came to do? What does the word "until" as in "It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come." mean to you?

 

[listed]

One of the most convoluted self-conflicted arguments to be had here.

The point remains - that the TEN Commandments are the "Commandments of God" are included in the moral LAW of God.. they define what sin is -- and therefore condemn the sinful nature... the sinful nature has the BENT toward SIN as Romans 3 points out and "SIN IS transgression of THE LAW" 1 John 3:4.

The point remains.

The Scriptural fact the ten commandments were give to Israel alone remains firmly established.

 

[listed]

10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

So for example in that list -- Neh 10:29
29 are joining with their kinsmen, their nobles, and are taking on themselves a curse and an oath to walk in God’s law, which was given through Moses, God’s servant, and to keep and to observe all the commandments of God our Lord, and His ordinances and His statutes;

Just can't believe you'd quote the above. It's a very self defeatin self admission of truth. Many thanks for doing so.

 

[listed]

It is your right to hold to your own preferences but wouldn't it be great to have an objective POV that did not have to ignore every detail in the texts quoted???

Yes an objective view would be very welcome from you.

 

[listed]

Hi LGW,


All I can say is I believe you were not honest in your evaluation of 2Cor 3:7-11. I should have known you would not submit yourself to scripture that would prove your theory wrong, I was hopeful that you would not be like all the other SDAs with which I have posted.

The Scripture seems to be only a quote source for them.

 

[listed]

LGW, what does "transient" mean and what does "was" mean? What does accomplish mean. Did Jesus accomplish all He came to do? What does the word "until" as in "It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come." mean to you?

Good luck in getting a response to any of these point. You might get the out of context or off topic response.

 

[Doveaman]

One of the most convoluted self-conflicted arguments to be had here.

That because you are unable to see how sin existed before the law was given, even though the Bible says it did: “Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned — for before the law was given, sin was in the world.” -- (Romans 5:12-13).

Before the law was given, Satan, the father of sin, was already in the world. Satan sinned even before the earth was formed. The 10 commandments was first introduced to man after Satan had already sinned. So the idea that sin requires the presence of the 10 commandments is a flawed idea. The 10 commandments was introduce to expose the sin that was already existing in the world through Satan.

"What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions" (Galatians 3:19).

The law was "added" because of "transgressions".

The fact that the law was added suggests that something existed before the law was added.

Paul is saying that the law was added because of the transgressions that existed in the world before the law was given. It was added to expose those transgressions:

“For before the law was given, sin was in the world”.."Therefore no one will be declared righteous in His sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin." (Romans 5:13, Romans 3:20).

We become conscious of sin because the law helps us to recognize sin by condemning us for sin:

"Indeed I had not known sin except through the law...But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good." (Romans 7:7-13).

The point remains - that the TEN Commandments are the "Commandments of God" are included in the moral LAW of God.. they define what sin is -- and therefore condemn the sinful nature... the sinful nature has the BENT toward SIN as Romans 3 points out and "SIN IS transgression of THE LAW" 1 John 3:4.

The point remains.

Christians no longer live by the sinful nature, so the law of 10 commandments is irrelevant to Christians:

"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. The acts of the sinful nature are obvious...But the fruit of the Spirit is love...Against such there is no law".."knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless" (Galatians 5:18-23, 1 Timothy 1:9).

Ignoring every single detail in the texts quoted - and selecting a "deny-all" response is not the grand compelling solution you have imagined.

You are sweeping away quotes from Exodus 20 -- the TEN commandments and every reference to Moses and the LAW and the Commandments of God given above in your "I can't see any Ten Commandments" response.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"?

Is that supposed to be "compelling"???

It is your right to hold to your own preferences but wouldn't it be great to have an objective POV that did not have to ignore every detail in the texts quoted???

We know that Exodus 20 is referring to the 10 commandments because the 10 commandments are specifically listed. But the many scripture you keep quoting from the NT do not have a specific list of the 10 commandments. You have to distort the scriptures by adding a 10 to make the scriptures conform to your flawed ideas -- "Do not add to His words, or He will rebuke you and prove you a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book." (Revelation 22:18).

 

[1stcenturylady]

The Scriptural fact the ten commandments were give to Israel alone remains virmly established.

I'm just thinking out loud, but think they were given to the world THROUGH Israel, but Israelites were poor representatives, let alone missionaries. And after the New Covenant came into being, after the death of Christ, I think that act and Christ's blood for the whole world, wrote the moral code onto everyone's conscience.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I'm just thinking out loud, but think they were given to the world THROUGH Israel, but Israelites were poor representatives, let alone missionaries. And after the New Covenant came into being, after the death of Christ, I think that act and Christ's blood for the whole world, wrote the moral code onto everyone's conscience.

I like the way you phrased that:
Wrote the moral code onto everyone's conscience

 

[stuart lawrence]

Basically, the Christian in their heart doesn't want to lie, commit adultery, steal, murder, covet, etc, that is what is meant by the law being placed in their heart. The flesh does want to sin, for the flesh didn't get born again. Hence the struggle of man, spirit against flesh

 

[BobRyan]

Basically, the Christian in their heart doesn't want to lie, commit adultery, steal, ...

And they know that "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

They know that "ALL scripture is given by inspiration from God and is to be used for doctrine and correction" 2 Tim 3:16

They know that "The Word of God"..."the Commandment of God" ... "Moses said" are all statements Jesus makes in Mark 7:6-13 about the TEN Commandments.

They know that rebellion against the Word of God -- is condemned in the Bible.

"Sanctify them in Thy TRUTH Thy WORD is Truth" John 17:17

As Christ points out in Matthew 5 and in Mark 7:6-13 - Christians do not teach rebellion against the Word of God.

 

[BobRyan]

That because you are unable to see how sin existed before the law was given, even though the Bible says it did: “Sin entered the world through one man, and death th

nonsense.

Genesis 26:5 " Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.”

Glaringly obvious Bible detail that even your pro-sunday scholars admit to when it comes to the TEN Commandments - they existed before being "Written on stone".

Obviously.

(When BOTH sides admit to the same glaringly obvious Bible detail - well... it just does not get any easier than that!)

 

[Doveaman]

Not true. Paul never says anything against God's Commandments - not even against God's Ten Commandments.

Maybe you need a new Bible.

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant -- not of the letter...for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone" (2 Corinthians 3:6-8).

Sounds like the 10 commandments to me.

Rather Paul says it is the TEN That define what sin is and what righteousness is - just as all of scripture affirms the same point.

If Paul ever said the 10 commandments define sin and righteousness he would be contradicting himself: "Therefore no one will be declared righteous in His sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin." (Romans 3:20-21).

We become conscious of sin because the law helps us to recognize sin by condemning us for sin: "Indeed I had not known sin except through the law...But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good." (Romans 7:7-13).

And of course - under the NEW Covenant the "LAW of God written on heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33 and certainly Jeremiah knew about the TEN.

Jeremiah is not speaking about the letter of 10 commandments, he is referring to the spiritual requirements of the law. The spiritual requirements of the law is the love of the Spirit expressed from the heart: “Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law” (Romans 13:9-10).

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature the things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” (Romans 2:14-15).

Gentiles, who do not have the 10 commandments, do obey the love required by the law, even though they do not have the 10 commandments.

True .... and none of it an argument for violation of God's Commandments - God's Ten Commandments.

not even the one about taking God's name in vain.

It violates the 4th commandment.

Jesus said: "Haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent?'' (Matthew 12:5).

The priests working in the physical temple desecrated the Sabbath day by working on the Sabbath day in the temple, and yet they were innocent of sin.

It was not a sin for the priests to violate the Sabbath day by working in the temple. This was because the work in the physical temple was superior to the rest on the seventh day.

"Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? Yet I say to you that One greater than the temple is here.'' (Matthew 12:5-6).

The body of Christ is now the greater and superior temple, and Christians are now called to live as priests working everyday in God's superior temple. And we, too, are permitted to violate the Sabbath day and still be innocent of sin, because the work of the Spirit in the body of Christ's temple is far superior and greater than the physical rest on the seventh day.

 

[Doveaman]

nonsense.

Genesis 26:5 " Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.”

Glaringly obvious Bible detail that even your pro-sunday scholars admit to when it comes to the TEN Commandments - they existed before being "Written on stone".

Obviously.

(When BOTH sides admit to the same glaringly obvious Bible detail - well... it just does not get any easier than that!)

There is no 10 in Genesis 26 -- "Do not add to His words, or He will rebuke you and prove you a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Abraham obeyed the spiritual requirements of the law, not the letter:

“The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham...So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. All who rely on observing the law are under a curse” (Galatians 3:8-17).

Abraham did not rely on a law that cursed, he relied on the love of the Spirit. Abraham lived by the Spirit of the law, he did not rely on the letter:

“Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law…He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit” (Galatians 3:8-17).

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant -- not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone" (2 Corinthians 3:6-8).

 

[Doveaman]

I see where you are confused. You are confused with this statement

"The Holy days you referenced from Col 2 is talking about the same context and reference to special annual Jewish Festivals holy days"

The "context" is the Jewish annual festivals I am really not sure why you are confused about that? I am not saying in that statement that the Holy days and the annual Sabbath(s) are the same thing. Only that the "context" of Col 2 is referring to the Jewish Festivals and the ceremonial laws of Moses in Lev 23.

Hope that helps your confusion it was never mine

In Christ Always!

Maybe your posts would not be so confusing if you would clearly explain the distinction between the "holiday" in Colossians 2 and the "sabbath days" in Colossians 2. You are still not making that clear distinction.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Colossians 2:16).

You say the "holyday" in Colossians 2 is referring to the annual festival days.

But what exactly are the "sabbath days" in Colossians 2, if not the weekly sabbaths?

 

[Doveaman]

Yes there is - as even your own pro-sunday scholars admit. (when BOTH sides see the same obvious Bible detail... well it just does not GET any easier than this!!)

Both sides are in error.

Here Christ affirms the TEN Commandments - as a tiny example of one of the text quoted.

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

The commands given through Moses was based on the letter of 10 commandments.
The commands given through Christ is based on the love of the Spirit.
We honor our parents because we love them, and not because we obey the 10 commandments:

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature the things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” (Romans 2:14-15).

Gentiles, who do not have the 10 commandments, do honor their parents out of love from their hearts, even though they do not have the 10 commandments.

11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Your argument against God's Ten Commandments - is an argument against the teaching that we find in Mark 7. Were we simply "not supposed to notice"???

Still no 10 in those scriptures.
The only 10 in those scriptures is the 10 you keep adding.
If there is a 10, then show me the 10.

-- "Do not add to His words, or He will rebuke you and prove you a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Exactly.

your copy-pasting old posts doesn't change the fact that you are contradicting the scriptures.

Another short example from the texts you are ignoring in that post --

Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment WITH a promise" in that still valid - unit of TEN.

Irrefutably the TEN Commandments and we BOTH know it. IN fact your own pro-sunday scholars admit it as well.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"???

If there is a 10 in those scriptures, then show me the 10 from scriptures, and stop adding your own 10. -- "Do not add to His words, or He will rebuke you and prove you a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

According to Paul... according to scripture.

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
..
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Right, Paul is showing that the law helps us to recognize sin by slewing us, or condemning us, for sin.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Correct, the commandments are good because they help us to recognize sin.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

The "inward" man is the spiritual man.
In the spiritual man, Paul delights is the Spirit of the law, not the letter:

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant -- not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone" (2 Corinthians 3:6-8).

Romans 2:26

• King James Version
  Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
  
• Young's Literal Translation
  If, therefore the uncircumcision the righteousness of the law may keep, shall not his uncircumcision for circumcision be reckoned?

• Romans 6:16
  New American Standard Bible
  Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

Romans 8:4

• King James Version
  That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
  
• Young's Literal Translation
  that the righteousness of the law may be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

Exactly, the righteousness of the law is the spiritual requirements of the law.
The circumcised (Jews) kept the letter of the law.
The uncircumcised (Gentiles) kept the Spirit of the law.
The letter of the law is the 10 commandments.
The Spirit of the law is the love of the Spirit.

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature the things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” (Romans 2:14-15).

Gentiles, who do not have the 10 commandments, do honor their parents out of love from their hearts, thereby fulfilling the righteous requirements of the law, even though they do not have the 10 commandments.

True. And mankind had always been conscious of sin - as we see starting early no just in Genesis 3 as the hid from God - due to sin. but also in Genesis 4 "SIN is crouching at your door - you must master it".

Sin existed... the LAW existed... consciousness of sin existed -- so says the earliest chapters in the Bible

Consciousness of sin doesn't merely mean being aware of sin. Consciousness of sin also means being aware of the harmful nature of sin. If there is no death penalty for sin we would not take sin seriously. The ancients did not take sin seriously because there was no written law that condemned sin: “for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.” (Romans 5:13).

But when the law of commandments came, as Paul said: "When the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death...in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me...so that sin through the commandment might become utterly sinful." -- (Romans 7:9-13).

The purpose of the written law of commandments was to help us to recognize the utterly sinful nature of sin by condemning us for sin. After the written law was introduced, sin was then taken seriously, because the written law (the letter of the law) condemned the whole world for sin:

"Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin." (Romans 3:19-20).

 

[Doveaman]

A total misread of Romans 5. Scripture shows Adam and Eve condemned in Genesis 3 due to sin.

Romans 5 affirms their condemnation to the point of death - in fact that 2nd death of Rev 20 ... from which only the Gospel could save them.

The condemnation of the law has past and future application, just as the sacrifice of Christ has past and future application:

"For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one Man the many will be made righteous. The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more" (Romans 5:19-20).

Adam's trespass was increased through the condemnation of the law. He was condemned to death for his sin through the past application of the law, just as he was delivered from death through the past application of God's grace.

This is also why the whole world (past and future) is condemned by the law:

"Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God." (Romans 3:19-20).

The whole world (past and future) is condemned by the law, because for God there is no past or future. God does not operate in our timeline. Everything is present to God:

"I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come".."before Abraham was, I AM!" (Isaiah 46:9-10, John 8:58).

This is irrefutable. You have presenting a misread of Romans 5:13 totally out of context.

Did Adam sin by breaking the 10 commandments?

No, he did not.

Adam sinned by breaking a direct command from the Spirit of God, a command that is not included in the 10 commandments -- 'Thou shall not eat the fruit.'

The sin that Adam committed was a violation of the Spirit, not the letter, because the letter was not yet given when Adam had sinned.

This again proves that “before the law was given, sin was in the world.” (Romans 5:13).

 

[stuart lawrence]

Which law is written in the mind and placed on the heart of believers?
Solely a law of love, or individual law as it were?
If a Christian stole something, would they specifically be conscious they sinned because they committed theft, or would they only be conscious they sinned by failing to love as they should?
Through the law we become conscious of sin rom 3: 20
If a Christian committed adultery, would they specifically be conscious they sinned because they committed adultery, or would they only be conscious they sinned by not loving as they should?
Through the law we become conscious of sin.
If a Christian coveted, would they specifically be conscious they sinned because they coveted, or would they only be conscious they sinned by failing to love as they should?
Through the law we become conscious of sin.

The law as we understand law comes in two parts. The law itself that must be obeyed, and the attached penalty for transgression of it. Christ paid the believers penalty for transgression, not the non believers. Hence the non believer remains guilty.
So it isn't law in the sense we would normally understand law to mean, for it is law placed in the heart and mind with the penalty for transgression removed.
God will not remove the fact he wants you to love him with all your heart, body, soul and mind. he will not abolish the fact he doesn't want you to murder, steal, commit adultery, covet etc. However the law is fulfilled by loving others, not by looking to the letter of the law within you and striving to obey it.
In truth, the more we look away from ourselves and to Christ, trusting him to change us through the sanctification of the holy spirit, the more the fruits of the Spirit grow in us( gal5:22) And against that fruit there is no law( verse23) for that fruit is the embodiment of how God wants us to live. it does not conflict with any of Gods good and holy laws

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Maybe your posts would not be so confusing if you would clearly explain the distinction between the "holiday" in Colossians 2 and the "sabbath days" in Colossians 2. You are still not making that clear distinction. "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Colossians 2:16). You say the "holyday" in Colossians 2 is referring to the annual festival days. But what exactly are the "sabbath days" in Colossians 2, if not the weekly sabbaths?

Hi Doveaman,

How are you today? Good I hope?

You are saying my posts are confusing to you in regards to Col 2 because I have not described the difference between "Holy days and Sabbath(s) referred to in Col 2:16? My posts are not confusing at all. because if you read my first post 325 these have already been described here. So maybe the confusion is on your side because you did not read the post.

Here let me cut and paste it again for you.

Holy days

The word rendered "holy-day" - ἑορτὴ heortē - in the Greek means a "feast" or "festival;"

Sabbath(s)

It is interesting to note in the Old Testament the word Sabbath (shabbath 7676 from shabath 7673 meaning “rest”) is not only used for the weekly Sabbath but is also applied to the first and last days of the annual Jewish Festivals. The Greek word for sabbath used G4521; σάββατο; sabbaton which means to cease from secular labor, stop work, rest and does not need to apply to the 7th Day only but any day that God says not to work on. These days of ceasing from work in Lev chapter 23 are referred to as Holy convocations and no work was allowed on these days.

The monthly New Moon Sabbaths in relation to these festivals could fall on any day of the week. These were to start the beginning of the annual Jewish feasts. They were to be rest (Sabbath) days and restricted or no work was to be done. (Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)

High Sabbaths, in most Christian and Messianic Jewish usage, are seven annual Biblical festivals and rest days, recorded in the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy.This is an extension of the term "high day" found in the King James Version at John 19:31-42. The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly Shabbat (seventh-day Sabbath) and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Lev. 23). They are observed by Jews and a minority of Christians. Three of them occur in spring: the first and seventh days of Pesach (Passover), and Shavuot (Pentecost) which occurs in summer. Three occur in fall, in the seventh month, and are also called shabbaton: Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets); Yom Kippur, the "Sabbath of Sabbaths" (Atonement); and the first and eighth days of Sukkoth (Tabernacles). Sometimes the word shabbaton is extended to mean all seven festivals. The Gospel of John says of the night immediately following Christ's burial that "that sabbath day was a high day" (19:31-42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies. (In other systems, it was Nisan 14, i.e., weekly but not annual Sabbath.) The King James Version may thus be the origin of naming the annual rest days "High Sabbaths" in English (source: wiki).

So clearly there is no confusion on my part if I have already provided you the answer. It looks like the confusion is with you my friend. If we are breaking God's commandments to follow man made traditions we are not following Jesus (Mark 7:5-13). God is calling us to follow Jesus according to His Word (Matt 4:4). If we do not follow God according to His Words then the Word of God teaches that these people are "Unbelievers" and unbelievers have no part in the Kingdom of Heaven. My prayer is that you may receive all of God's Word and follow Jesus in Spirit and in Truth (John 4:24).

I am also wondering why you are making straw man arguments to Bob Ryan? Who has ever said to you that we are saved by keeping the Law? If no one has said this then why bring it up? I hope this clears up your confusion.

In Christ always!