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And the translated word for commandments in Genesis 26 is "mitzvah, not "entole".
You are beginning to sound like a Pharisee.You are too lazy to keep the commandment
The rest of your post has been ignored because it's just more rubbish.Of course -- *SNIP*
I still don't see a "10" in those commandments.Nope
1JOHN 5 [2] By this WE KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3] For THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD, THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: and his commandments are not grievous.
Still talking bout the 10 commandments
The language doesn't matter.Uhhh... How could you not know? Are you new in the Word Doveaman? I thought everyone new. I hope this dont shock you but the old testament is written in a different language than the new. Really. You can ask anyone.
Understanding the scriptures is not a popularity contest: "Small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." -- (Matthew 7:14).Yes they are - to the extent that God's Ten Commandments are included in all of them - a Bible detail that almost all scholars quickly admit.
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
And of course 7th day groups
Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others)
If you cannot show from scriptures that Abraham obeyed the law of 10 Commandments, then you are just speculating.Nowhere does it say he was not.
More speculation.And what is more - Moses uses the same terms for both - for his readers to see that they are the same.
Neh 9:13 is a case of a bible writer admitting that this is a reference to the commandments at Sinai.
“You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments.
Genesis 26:5 BECAUSE Abraham obeyed my voice , and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.
Deut 8:11
11 "Beware that you do not forget the LORD your God by not keeping His commandments and His ordinances and His statutes which I am commanding you today;
GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.
You have shown that Lev 11 explains what animal is in what group, but you have not given any biblical support for your claim that Abraham observed the law of 10 Commandments.Just as in the case of Genesis 7 and 8 where we find "unclean" vs "clean" animals but no explanation of what animal is in what group - until you get to Lev 11.
None of this has any relevance at all to the new covenant law of faith observed by Abraham: "If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about — but not before God. What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." -- (Romans 4:2-3).Because "Moses' readers" had 2 books (Genesis, Leviticus) until the end of Moses' life when they had all 5
The rest of your post has been ignored because it's just more rubbish.
Like I said, when you don't have a legitimate point to make you then resort to personal insults.
The Pharisees were also into laws and rules while having no problem breaking God's rules.
Regardless of the subject matter, trust me, you will get a real answer.
I'm not frustrated, just confused what the problem is.
What are you talking about? I'm not denying anything about Genesis 2, you have offered no quotes and certainly offered nothing substantive to accuse me of such a thing. The fact that 'shabath' is a verb is hardly relevent and I'm puzzled that you would think it pertains to anything having been said. It does mean to 'cease', so what? It makes no inferences as to what God would do in the future, only what he did in creation.
I'm not SDA and I have no problem with the KJV. What I'm seeing is the passage in Exodus 16.
And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. (Exodus 16:23)
The Sabbath is mentioned in this passage, did you want to make a point with regards to grammar because your not making a lot of sense here.
Ok this is getting nonsensical. What is the specific word, verse and how is it translated in the KJV?
Ok now I'm annoyed, I have no past association with 'adventism', in any way shape or form. I'm not sure if I have a problem with it but this is a gross mischaracterization of me and anything I've ever posted and I've done this for years.
Clean it up, I'm getting tired of this.
Understanding the scriptures is not a popularity contest: "Small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." -- (Matthew 7:14).
Truth is not taken from biblical scholars and church denominations. Truth is taken from the scriptures. And nowhere in the scriptures does it say Abraham obeyed a law of 10 Commandments.
If you cannot show from scriptures that Abraham obeyed the law of 10 Commandments, then you are just speculating.
Speculation does not prove anything, because the speculation itself needs to be proven, and so far you have not provided any biblical proof to support your speculation.
More speculation.
There is not a single scripture in the Bible that says the 10 Commandments were included in the laws or statutes or commands that Abraham obeyed. On the contrary, the law of 10 Commandments was first introduced 430 years after Abraham:
“The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith…All who rely on observing the law are under a curse…Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith…Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law…so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit….The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed…What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.” -- (Gal 3:8-17).
The promise of justification and salvation through faith in Christ was made to Abraham 430 years before the law of 10 commandments was first introduced. Abraham lived by the new covenant of the Spirit and not by the old covenant of the letter. He lived by faith in the justification and salvation that comes through Christ, just as we live today.
"For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in His grace gave it to Abraham through a promise. What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come...Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus" -- (Galatians 3:18-26).
You have shown that Lev 11 explains what animal is in what group, but you have not given any biblical support for your claim that Abraham observed the law of 10 Commandments.
None of this has any relevance at all to the new covenant law of faith observed by Abraham: "If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about — but not before God. What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." -- (Romans 4:2-3).
Careful, here, don't let that/any other one drive you to distraction in error.Right. Anything God told Abraham, he did, even to the killing of his son. It was a commandment as far as Abraham was concerned, and he obeyed. It is not law. We don't now have to kill our children, just because it is in scripture that God told Abraham, so we have to apply it to ourselves.
I am sorry but I am not going to pull out the specific parr of your post. First, so you believe in a Deist God, who made the universe and then just watches it run? I don't think the Incarnation was all that restful. And I believe that God hears and answers our prayer.You left out a pretty important proof text:
“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. (Ex. 20:8-11)God didn't rest from his work because he was tired, but because it was complete in all it's vast array. Not only were you to refrain from work but the entire household, servants and beasts of burden were given a rest. It was a perpetual reminder of God's work during creation week, just as Passover, the feast of unleavened bread and Tabernacles commemorated the Exodus and the wilderness wanderings. Israel went into exile for not obeying one particular Sabbath, the Sabbath rest every 7 years for the land (Jeremiah 25:1-11; 29:1-10).
to fulfill the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed its sabbaths. All the days of its desolation it kept sabbath until seventy years were complete. (2 Chronicles 36:21).The importance of the Sabbath Rest(s) should not be trivialized, even thought they are clearly fulfilled in Christ. Knowing what they mean is vital to sound exegesis of the Old Testament and the fulfillment found in Christ:
The original setting for this prophecy takes place hundreds of years before Daniel is even born. God had commanded Israel to set aside the seventh year of each agricultural cycle in order for the land to receive a Sabbath rest (Leviticus 25:1-7). The same way man was to receive the seventh day as a day off, known as the Sabbath, the land was to receive the seventh year off, known as a Sabbath Year or a Sabbath to the Lord. God warns Israel in general about the punishments that will follow if this commandment is not obeyed (Leviticus 26: 27-46).Not coincidentally the time of the exile was 70 years, coinciding with the years the Sabbath Rest of the land was not observed. It's also vital to redemptive histories timeline prophesied in Danial, the 70 weeks that come to 490 years from the finishing of the walls to the coming of the Messiah.
Israel's lack of the proper spiritual response was disobedient to God's commandment and as a result for 490 consecutive years Israel never let the land have a Sabbath Year's rest. This came to a total of 70 missed Sabbath Year's of rest for the land. As a punishment to Israel for this specific disobedience, God allowed Israel to be taken captive for a period of 70 years (2 Chronicles 36:21). This was in direct correlation equaling one year of captivity for each of the Sabbath Year's rest the land missed out on. (Jewishroots.net)
I wouldn't dismiss the Jewish Sabbath quite so easily, it's a huge Hermeneutics challenge with regards to the Old Testament, the New Testament witness and even our Eschatology.
Grace and peace,
Mark
Hmm. Okay but I find that people who take a very different tack on this issue do not even have the same belief in the reliability of Scripture that I do, and believe me, I am not a literary list. There comes up all these objections to the different Councils and the anti-semitism of the early Church, and when you start going down that route there is really no easy way back.Um well...The clear testimony of Scripture and the Apostle's doctrine...Christ himself in the Gospels...how does that work for you...
I'm not Seventh Day Adventist, that was my point and what I was so annoyed with.I can't see the problem either. You are on the same page regarding the Sabbath commandment aren't you and Buggy?
I don't know exactly what you are responding to here but I'm not antisemitic.Hmm. Okay but I find that people who take a very different tack on this issue do not even have the same belief in the reliability of Scripture that I do, and believe me, I am not a literary list. There comes up all these objections to the different Councils and the anti-semitism of the early Church, and when you start going down that route there is really no easy way back.
Right. Anything God told Abraham, he did, even to the killing of his son. It was a commandment as far as Abraham was concerned, and he obeyed. It is not law. .
The Commandments and Laws in Genesis 26 are not the same as the Commandments and Laws in Neh 9:13 and Deut 8:11.
Understanding the scriptures is not a popularity contest: "Small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." -- (Matthew 7:14).
Speculation does not prove anything,
I'm no Deist, never have been, I really don't know how something like that could every be reconciled to the Scriptures. I believe there is a distinction between divine providence where the universe continues unaided by God's interaction and yet God can do what only God can do to direct the natural course in a miraculous way. I suspect what you are referring to in the Colossians 2 passage is this:I am sorry but I am not going to pull out the specific parr of your post. First, so you believe in a Deist God, who made the universe and then just watches it run? I don't think the Incarnation was all that restful. And I believe that God hears and answers our prayer.
Second: Really you have to read Colossians 2 and not take the obvious meaning of the passage and change it on your or your pastor's whim. Bible Gateway passage: Colossians 2 - New International Version
I'm not Seventh Day Adventist, that was my point and what I was so annoyed with.
I don't know exactly what you are responding to here but I'm not antisemitic.
Yes it does.No it does not.
The laws regarding the Levitical priesthood includes the 10 commandments.It tells us that the laws regarding the priesthood have changed
Details matter.
Where does the Bible say that God's Ten Commandments were removed from His Law??
Our understanding of the "commandments" of Christ must be established on the biblical premise that the 10 Commandments are the laws of the old covenant and the old covenant has been made obsolete. Therefore, Christ cannot be encouraging obedience to obsolete laws:Christ's argument to the contrary --
Mark 7
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the Word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”
Eph 6:2 -- specifically - the TEN Commandments.
Matt 19 "keep the Commandments... which ones?" and then came the answer right out of the scriptures -- the commandments of God.
Honor your father and mother is not the first commandment in the TEN.Eph 6
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise), 3 so that it may be well with you, and that you may live long on the earth.
First commandment WHERE??
Answer: FIRST in the TEN COMMANDMENTS.
The only commandments that matter are the ones based on God's eternal love, and not based on an obsolete, old covenant law.Question: Why is Paul bringing the TEN Commandments into this?
Answer: because they still matter!... obviously.
Writing the same letter of the law on our hearts would result in instant death, because the letter of the law was written with a hammer and chisel.Hence the comparison in 2 Cor 3 "on tables of the human heart" vs "on tables of stone".
and as we see in the "NEW Covenant" text itself "I WILL WRITE My LAW on their HEART".
They very thing you seem to be mocking at this point.
Love is not merely a summary of the law; love is the fulfillment of the law. There’s a difference.Summary - is not "deletion".
Yes, Jesus said TWO great commandments – not ten. (in Matthew 22)Also Jesus said TWO great commandments - not one.
And also what He calls the greatest -- is not even in the list you are focused on.and what He calls the greatest -- is not even in the list you are focused on. .
Taking God’s name in vain is showing no regard for who God is or for what God does. Our high regard for God is based on love. We worship God because He first loved us and because we now love Him:So then with 66 books in our Bibles - we can easily see that it is "still a sin" to "take God's name in vain".
But your answer has no relation to my question.Since some are struggling with this post - will add a comment.
This post takes the example of not taking God's name in vain" to show how this works with the Commandments of God
Paul is speaking about gentiles who have no access to scripture. As I point out - we who do have access to it -- cannot retrofit ourselves back to the level of those who do not.
hence this comment that addresses the point "Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists are "Gentiles" and they have no clue that "taking God's name in vain" - the God of the Christians - is "sin for them" - at least they don't go around preaching that idea."
If you keep sidestepping that response to re-ask the same question - then that response that addresses it -- gets posted "again" -
Christ said in Mathew 5:Totally false as Christ points out in Matthew 5. The more spiritual the focus - the more strict the law becomes - not "the more lax", or "the more deleted" it becomes.
Yes, we ESTABLISH the LAW, not in letter, but in Spirit, by being obedient to God’s love (compassion and mercy)."What do we make void the LAW of God by our faith! God forbid!! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31
True.True.
"This IS The LOVE of God - that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3.
Yes, those who love God will not violate His love by taking His name in vain.Thus it is "still a sin" to "take God's name in vain" Exodus 20:7.
The LAW on stone cannot be written on our hearts. It is the Spirit of the Law that is written on our hearts. The Law on stone is written in letters. The Spirit of the Law is written in Love (compassion and mercy).LAW on stone - written on the human heart after being born again - means we still are not supposed to be taking God's name in vain.
Yes, Moses and Elijah lived by the Spirit of God’s love.Moses and Elijah - standing WITH Christ in glory - in Matt 17 - would have fully known this.
Those folks do not add any value to your invalid claims.So also do these folks know it --
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
And of course 7th day groups
Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others)
You keep seeing 10 Commandment where the Bible does not say 10 Commandments. You are seeing 10 Commandments in Genesis 26, not because they are there, but because you want them to be there. It's just an illusion caused by delusion. I hope you get over it soon.Moses uses the same terms for both - for his readers to see that they are the same.
Neh 9:13 is a case of a bible writer admitting that this is a reference to the commandments at Sinai.
“You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments.
Genesis 26:5 BECAUSE Abraham obeyed my voice , and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.
Deut 8:11
11 "Beware that you do not forget the LORD your God by not keeping His commandments and His ordinances and His statutes which I am commanding you today;
GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.
Just as in the case of Genesis 7 and 8 where we find "unclean" vs "clean" animals but no explanation of what animal is in what group - until you get to Lev 11.
Because "Moses' readers" had 2 books (Genesis, Leviticus) until the end of Moses' life when they had all
True - but that is not speculation.
What is wild speculation is the idea of "changing the meaning of the same term as used by the same Author written to the same audience -- every time you see the term".
Yes it does.
The laws regarding the Levitical priesthood includes the 10 commandments.
“If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law)” -- (Hebrews 7:11).
The entire old covenant law, which included the 10 Commandments, was administered through the Levitical priesthood, just as the new covenant of faith is administered through the new priesthood of Christ.
And in Hebrews 7 we are told: “For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law…For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah…One who has become a priest, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life…For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because it was weak and useless, for the law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God...by so much more Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.” -- (Hebrews 7:12-22).
The entire old covenant that was based on the 10 commandments has been annulled. Hebrews 9 goes on to give us the details involved in the administration of the Levitical priesthood, which has been annulled:
“Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary…Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place, which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron's staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant.” -- (Hebrews 9:1-4).
The stone tablets of the old covenant law, which contained the 10 Commandments, were included in the administration of the Levitical priesthood. And as we are told in Hebrews 7: “For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law” -- (Hebrews 7:12).
In addition we are told in Hebrews 8: “For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But God found fault with the people and said: "The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt…By calling this covenant 'new,' he has made the first one obsolete” -- (Hebrews 8:7-13).
God said the new covenant that is based on faith “will not be like” the old covenant that was based on the 10 Commandments. The old covenant based on the 10 Commandments has now been made obsolete.
Our understanding of the "commandments" of Christ must be established on the biblical premise that the 10 Commandments are the laws of the old covenant and the old covenant has been made obsolete. Therefore, Christ cannot be encouraging obedience to obsolete laws:
"He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone." -- (Deuteronomy 4:13).
"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter...for the letter kills..the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone"-- (2 Corinthians 3:6-8)
"By calling this covenant 'new,' He has made the first one obsolete” -- (Hebrews 8:13).
That's the biblical premise (the 10 Commandment law in obsolete), and our understanding of Christ's "commandments" must begin on that premise.
Honor your father and mother is not the first commandment in the TEN.
The only commandments that matter are the ones based on God's eternal love, and not based on an obsolete, old covenant law.
As I said before, Paul in Ephesians 6:2-3 is not encouraging old covenant law keeping. Paul is simply emphasizing the importance of honoring our parents out of love, which is the spiritual intent of the old covenant law. We honor our parents because we love them. This is exactly how Gentiles honor their parents, even though Gentiles do not have the old covenant law of 10 Commandments:
“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” -- (Romans 2:14-15).
Writing the same letter of the law on our hearts would result in instant death, because the letter of the law was written with a hammer and chisel.
Love is not the summary of the law; love is the fulfillment of the law. There’s a difference.
"Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.” -- (Romans 13:9-10).
The fulfillment the law is not obedience to the letter, it is obedience to the spiritual intent of the law. The spiritual intent of the law is love. We rely on the love of the Holy Spirit, and we obey the love of the Holy Spirit. All our actions are governed by the love of the Holy Spirit:
“And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love, whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like Him.” -- (1 John 4:16-17).
Yes, Jesus said TWO great commandments – not ten. (in Matthew 22)
And also what He calls the greatest -- is not even in the list you are focused on.
You will also noticed that the TWO commandments are both commands to love. So the TWO commandments are really just ONE commandment to love. All our actions are in obedience to the ONE love that we express to all:
"A new commandment I give you: Love one another; as I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another." -- (John 13:34-35).
Taking God’s name in vein is showing no regard for who God is or for what God does. Our high regard for God is based on love. We worship God because He first loved us and because we now love Him:
“There is no fear in love; but perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love. We love Him because He first loved us.” -- (1 John 4:118-19).
The letter of the law was observed by the Jews based on the fear of punishment, and not based on love:
“Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.” -- (Romans 7:9-11).
The purpose of letter of the law was to expose the danger of sin. The law exposes the danger of sin by convicting us of sin and by condemning us for sin. This is why Paul said the law is good. The letter of the law is good, not because it achieves righteousness, but to the extent that it exposes the danger of sin:
“So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through what was good, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.” -- (Romans 7:12-13).
But your answer has no relation to my question.
You keep adding words and numbers to the scriptures.
Where does Paul mention "scripture" in the verses I quoted below:
“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” -- (Romans 2:14-15).
Paul does not say the Gentiles do not have "scripture", He says they do not have the law. Paul is discussing the old covenant law given through Moses.
So my question to you still remains:
How are Gentiles able to fulfill the requirements of the old covenant law, even though they never received the old covenant law?
Christ said in Mathew 5:
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.' But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment.” -- (Matthew 5:21-22).
The old covenant law was a command to not commit the act of murder.
The new covenant law is a command to show compassion and mercy.
The two laws are not the same.
The old command focuses on external behavior.
The new command focuses on the internal love of the heart.
The old command encourages obedience to the letter.
The new command encourages obedience to the love of the Spirit.
We can avoid committing murder even if we have no love.
But if we have love we will not commit murder.
In other words, we can obey the letter of the law and still violate God’s love, but if we obey God’s love we will not commit murder.
Our choice to not commit murder is not in obedience to the letter, but in obedience to God’s love (compassion and mercy).
Yes, we ESTABLISH the LAW, not in letter, but in Spirit, by being obedient to God’s love (compassion and mercy).
True.
“And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.” -- (1 John 3:23).
Yes, those who love God will not violate His love by taking His name in vain.
The LAW on stone cannot be written on our hearts. It is the Spirit of the Law that is written on our hearts. The Law on stone is written in letters. The Spirit of the Law is written in Love (compassion and mercy).
Yes, Moses and Elijah lived by the Spirit of God’s love.
Those folks do not add any value to your invalid claims.
You keep seeing 10 Commandment where the Bible does not say 10 Commandments. You are seeing 10 Commandments in Genesis 26, not because they are there, but because you want them to be there. It's just an illusion caused by delusion. I hope you get over it soon.
Yes it does.
The laws regarding the Levitical priesthood includes the 10 commandments.
Great post. I'm sorry if it lands on deaf ears. .
The entire old covenant law, which included the 10 Commandments, was administered through the Levitical priesthood,
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