It does make the dialogue interesting. From what I have read over the years, I am sure you are onto something.
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It does make the dialogue interesting. From what I have read over the years, I am sure you are onto something.Since I have no desire to keep the sabbath, you must be saying God's law isn't written on my heart. That means you are really saying I'm not a Christian.
Neither does any poster here in this forum. Where does that leave your idea?Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists are "Gentiles" and they have no clue that "taking God's name in vain" - the God of the Christians - is "sin for them" - at least they don't go around preaching that idea.
Abraham did not observe the 10 Cs, per Moses in Deut 5:3.If what you say is true why was Abraham observing to keep Gods 10 commandments?
So you change the verses and take them out of context. That is not proof of anything.LUKE 18 [20] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
The translated word for commandments in the above scripture is “entole”. As you can see its the 10 commandments. No doubt about it.
MATTHEW 19 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? [17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, [19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
The translated word for commandments in Matthew 19 is “entole”. Do you see all those "thou shalt nots". Again the 10 commandments. Everywhere in the new testament where you find the word "commandments" youll find its been translated from the greek word "entole"
Abraham did not observe the 10 Cs, per Moses in Deut 5:3.
bugkiller
Exactly where does it say that Abraham kept the "10" Commandments?
You keep adding the number "10" to God's word:
But "entole" is also used in John 13 when referring to the new commandment to love:LUKE 18 [20] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
The translated word for commandments in the above scripture is “entole”. As you can see its the 10 commandments. No doubt about it.
MATTHEW 19 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? [17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, [19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
The translated word for commandments in Matthew 19 is “entole”. Do you see all those "thou shalt nots". Again the 10 commandments. Everywhere in the new testament where you find the word "commandments" youll find its been translated from the greek word "entole"
But you did add the number "10" to Genesis 26.GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.
So why was Abraham observing to keep Gods 10 commandments? He heard and obeyed Gods "voice"
DEUT. 27 [8] And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly. [9] And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed, and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the Lord thy God . [10] Thou shalt therefore OBEY THE VOICE of the Lord thy God, and DO HIS COMMANDMENTS and his statutes, which I command thee this day.
DEUT. 4 [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard THE VOICE of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
The voice...The 10 commandments. No doubt about it. And i didnt add the word 10.
Amein! HalleluYAH !Moses said He kept God's Law including God's commandments.
The Commandments and Laws in Genesis 26 are not the same as the Commandments and Laws in Neh 9:13 and Deut 8:11. The 10 Commandments were given at Mount Sinai long after the events in Genesis 26.Moses said He kept God's Law including God's commandments.
Neh 9:13 is a case of a bible writer admitting that this is a reference to the commandments at .
“You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments.
Deut 8:11
11 "Beware that you do not forget the LORD your God by not keeping His commandments and His ordinances and His statutes which I am commanding you today;
GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.
Abraham was not observing the 10 commandments. Nowhere in Genesis 26 does it say Abraham observed "10" Commandments. You keep adding a "10" to the scriptures, which is forbidden:If what you say is true why was Abraham observing to keep Gods 10 commandments?
The 10 commandments were not merely removed from the law; the 10 commandments is the old covenant law that was removed:Where does the Bible say that God's Ten Commandments were removed from His Law??
The old covenant law of 10 commandments was still required while Jesus was alive. The new covenant was introduced after His death and resurrection: "By calling this covenant 'new,' He has made the first one obsolete" -- (Hebrews 8:13).Christ's argument to the contrary --
Mark 7
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the Word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”
Eph 6:2 -- specifically - the TEN Commandments.
Matt 19 "keep the Commandments... which ones?" and then came the answer right out of the scriptures -- the commandments of God.
The Commandments and Laws in Genesis 26 are not the same as the Commandments and Laws in Neh 9:13 and Deut 8:11.
Nowhere in Genesis 26 does it say Abraham observed "10" Commandments.
Hebrews 7 is telling us that the old covenant law of the 10 commandments have been annulled
The old covenant law of 10 commandments was still required while Jesus was alive.
The new covenant was introduced after His death and resurrection: "By calling this covenant 'new,' He has made the first one obsolete" -- (Hebrews 8:13).
Paul in Ephesians 6:2-3 is not encouraging old covenant law keeping. Paul is simply emphasizing the importance of honoring our parents under the new covenant
Sorry, I missed your first answer because it was so nonsensical.Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists are "Gentiles" and they have no clue that "taking God's name in vain" - the God of the Christians - is "sin for them" - at least they don't go around preaching that idea.
I think we all agree on that.
"To him that knows to do right and does it not - to him it is sin" James 4.
We cannot limit Christians to only having the light of an atheist in China.
Again - we all already know this.
That was what THIS was for in my previous post "Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists are "Gentiles" and they have no clue that "taking God's name in vain" - the God of the Christians - is "sin for them" - at least they don't go around preaching that idea."
Paul is speaking about gentiles who have no access to scripture. As I point out - we who do have access to it -- cannot retrofit outselves back to the level of those who do not.
hence this comment that addresses the point "Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists are "Gentiles" and they have no clue that "taking God's name in vain" - the God of the Christians - is "sin for them" - at least they don't go around preaching that idea."
If you keep sidestepping that response to re-ask the same question - then that response that addresses it -- gets posted "again" -
Sorry, I missed your first answer because it was so nonsensical.
And your second answer is even more nonsensical than the first.
I think you have a very limited grasp of the difference between the letter of the law and the Spirit of the law.
You seem to think that the letter of the law becomes the Spirit of the law simply by writing it somewhere else (in our hearts).
“The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.” -- (Romans 13:9-10).
God's law is written in our hearts and minds in the same way that it is written in the hearts and minds of Gentiles who do not have the letter of the law:
“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” -- (Romans 2:14-15).
What about him that does not know to do right and does not do it - is it still a sin?
I noticed that you avoided answering the question in my previous post.
Here it is again:
“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” -- (Romans 2:14-15).
If, as Paul said, the Gentiles never had the letter of the law, then how are they able to fulfill the requirements of the law?
Love is the fulfillment of the law because love is what God intended when He wrote the law.
It's possible to obey the literal words of the letter even if we do not have the love intended by the Spirit.
And it's possible to obey the love intended by the Spirit even if we do not have the literal words of the letter.
Obedience to one (the Spirit) does not necessarily mean obedience to the other (the letter).
Our obedience to the Spirit of the law is based on what God intended when He wrote the law. God is love and love is of God,
But you haven't offered any view at all. When you offer something substantial and I shut down, then you will have a point. So far you have only offered accusations and criticisms.
Good point.. The last thing I would be doing is trying to teach others not to follow Gods word...way to dangerous for me. )
Good point.
Jesus specifically addressed that point.
Matt 5
19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;
But "entole" is also used in John 13 when referring to the new commandment to love:
"A new commandment [entole] I give you: Love one another; as I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another." -- (John 13:34-35).
"Entole" seems to be a general term that refers to any commandment, and not just the "10".
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