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God's Sabbath rest is not a weekly seventh day rest

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Traditional Christian interpretation of the texts with no reference to historical/cultural context. Bible onlyism.
 
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Even the pro-Sunday scholars admit that the Ten Commandments are included in what is written on the heart under the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-33
Not all pro-Sunday scholars have an adequate understanding of the old and new covenants.
"I will write My LAW on their heart and mind".
God's law is written in our hearts and minds in the same way that it is written in the hearts and minds of Gentiles who do not have the letter of the law:

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” -- (Romans 2:14-15).

The requirements of the law is love. Gentiles who have love are showing the requirements of the law written in their hearts, even though they do not have, and never had, the letter of the law.

If, as Paul said, the Gentiles never had the letter of the law, then how are they able to fulfill the requirements of it?
 
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BobRyan said:
Even the pro-Sunday scholars admit that the Ten Commandments are included in what is written on the heart under the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-33

Not all pro-Sunday scholars have an adequate understanding of the old and new covenants.

Maybe one or two confused on that point - but I am not talking about one or two --

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians is included in the "LAW of God" written on the heart under the NEW covenant.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others)
 
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Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists are "Gentiles" and they have no clue that "taking God's name in vain" - the God of the Christians - is "sin for them" - at least they don't go around preaching that idea.

I think we all agree on that.

"To him that knows to do right and does it not - to him it is sin" James 4.

We cannot limit Christians to only having the light of an atheist in China.

Again - we all already know this.
 
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For me it is simple. Just accept what God gave me.

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Exactly where does it say that Abraham kept the "10" Commandments?

You keep adding the number "10" to God's word:

"Do not add to His words, or He will rebuke you and prove you a liar"..."I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book." -- (Proverbs 30:6, Revelation 22:18).
 
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Since I have no desire to keep the sabbath, you must be saying God's law isn't written on my heart. That means you are really saying I'm not a Christian.
 
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Yet none of them kept the sabbath. Proof is Acts 15,Romans 14 and Colossians 2.
 
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You should listen to your own preaching.
 
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What about him that does not know to do right and does not do it - is it still a sin?
We cannot limit Christians to only having the light of an atheist in China.

Again - we all already know this.
I noticed that you avoided answering the question in my previous post.

Here it is again:

“For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts” -- (Romans 2:14-15).

If, as Paul said, the Gentiles never had the letter of the law, then how are they able to fulfill the requirements of the law?
 
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Those verses have no meaning to him.
 
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Yup Doveaman. Now alls we gotta do is see how God rested from His own works and then do the same
I agree.
HEBREWS 4 [4] For he spake in a certain place of THE SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY from all his works
So how exactly did God rest from all His works?

Was it a temporary 24 hour day of rest, or was it a permanent, ongoing state of rest?

Did God go back to His original works on Sunday or on Monday after the 7th day ended?

The Bible says He did not: "For we who have believed do enter that rest...although His works were finished since the creation of the world." -- (Hebrews 4:3).

God's works were finished since the creation of the world, so God did not go back to His original works when the 7th day ended.

The letter of the law required a return to work whenever the 7th day ended: "Six days you shall labor and do all your work" (Exodus 20:9). Therefore, God's Sabbath rest was not according to the letter of the law.
Yup. God rested the 7th day. The sabbath. Pretty simple
That's the simple interpretation, but not the correct explanation.

The 7th day is not God's Sabbath rest, just as independence day is not independence.

Independence in the USA occurred on the 4th day of July, 1776, and independence in the USA continued permanently to this very day. The 4th day of July was then observed by Americans every year as a memorial/shadow celebrating the permanent reality of their independence.

God's Sabbath rest occurred on the 7th day of creation week, and God's Sabbath rest continued permanently to this very day. The 7th day was then observed by the Jews every week as a memorial/shadow celebrating the permanent reality of God's Sabbath rest.

"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink...or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
-- (Colossians 2:16-17).

The reality of God's Sabbath rest is a permanent state of rest, and not a temporary day of rest. When we enter God Sabbath rest we permanently cease from our own works, just as God permanently ceased from His: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own works, just as God did from His." -- (Hebrews 4:9-10).

When we enter God Sabbath rest we permanently cease from our fleshly works of human nature, just as God permanently ceased from His physical works of creation.

“Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from Me…and you will find rest for your souls. ” -- (Matthew 11:28-29).
 
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Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists are "Gentiles" and they have no clue that "taking God's name in vain" - the God of the Christians - is "sin for them" - at least they don't go around preaching that idea.

I think we all agree on that.

"To him that knows to do right and does it not - to him it is sin" James 4.

We cannot limit Christians to only having the light of an atheist in China.

Again - we all already know this.

What about him that does not know to do right and does not do it - is it still a sin?

That was what THIS was for in my previous post "Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists are "Gentiles" and they have no clue that "taking God's name in vain" - the God of the Christians - is "sin for them" - at least they don't go around preaching that idea."


Paul is speaking about gentiles who have no access to scripture. As I point out - we who do have access to it -- cannot retrofit outselves back to the level of those who do not.

hence this comment that addresses the point "Atheists and Hindus and Buddhists are "Gentiles" and they have no clue that "taking God's name in vain" - the God of the Christians - is "sin for them" - at least they don't go around preaching that idea."

If you keep sidestepping that response to re-ask the same question - then that response that addresses it -- gets posted "again" -
 
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If what you say is true why was Abraham observing to keep Gods 10 commandments?

Exactly where does it say that Abraham kept the "10" Commandments?
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Where does the Bible say that God's Ten Commandments were removed from His Law??

Christ's argument to the contrary --
Mark 7
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the Word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

Eph 6:2 -- specifically - the TEN Commandments.

Matt 19 "keep the Commandments... which ones?" and then came the answer right out of the scriptures -- the commandments of God.
 
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I don't see a 10 in that verse.
It seems to me that every time you see "commandments" you automatically assume a 10 is missing, and then you go ahead and stick a 10 in there , even though the verse does not say 10.

LUKE 18 [20] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

The translated word for commandments in the above scripture is “entole”. As you can see its the 10 commandments. No doubt about it.

MATTHEW 19 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? [17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, [19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The translated word for commandments in Matthew 19 is “entole”. Do you see all those "thou shalt nots". Again the 10 commandments. Everywhere in the new testament where you find the word "commandments" youll find its been translated from the greek word "entole"
 
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