God's name

[Beckyy25]

Yeah, truth is not usefull for thoes who seek to deny it in order to promote their own opinion as "absolute authority".

Correct. A perfect description of what you are doing.

 

[Rasta]

Correct. A perfect description of what you are doing.

Wow. A glorified: "I know you are, but what am I?" However, I claim no absolute authority, where as you do. My position is based on logic. Your is based on the emotional attachment you have invested in your belief system.

Please read my signature.

 

[peaceful soul]

Yeah, truth is not usefull for thoes who seek to deny it in order to promote their own opinion as "absolute authority".

Yet you offer an opinion and make it fact. I really resent when someone says something and another quickly labels it as opinion. While sometimes they may be correct, but most often it is a way to try to silence the other person or weaken their stance. Please don't contest for the sake of contesting. It is a waste of time, Rasta.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Wow. A glorified: "I know you are, but what am I?" However, I claim no absolute authority, where as you do. My position is based on logic. Your is based on the emotional attachment you have invested in your belief system.

Please read my signature.

I fail to see your logic. Truth is narrowly defined.

 

[Rasta]

Did I say that?

You implied it by: "Let me correct you". This implies you are speaking about knowledge, rather than your opinion.

Sure I do, do you?

Yes. What do you think it means?

Have you ever read the Bible and the Qur'an?

Yes. I own a copy of both. I've read both multiple times.

If yes, then you're really ignorant.

Why don't you provide examples from the Old Testamen, New Testament, and Quran to prove your case?

 

[Rasta]

I fail to see your logic. Truth is narrowly defined.

Right. This does not mean that anything anyone believes is truth. Truth is reality. The actual state of affairs.

 

[Rasta]

Yet you offer an opinion and make it fact.

What the meaning of the arabic word allah? Um, that is a fact.

I really resent when someone says something and another quickly labels it as opinion.

Why? It's true.

While sometimes they may be correct, but most often it is a way to try to silence the other person or weaken their stance.

I'm just trying to offer a neutral balanced view. Becky was pretending that her stance is stronger than it actually is. Sorry. Sometimes reality bites, but at least I'm honest.

Please don't contest for the sake of contesting. It is a waste of time, Rasta.

I'm not. I'm contesting for the sake of truth. You decide what is a waste of your time, and I will decide mine.

 

[JudaicChristian]

You implied it by: "Let me correct you". This implies you are speaking about knowledge, rather than your opinion.



Yes. What do you think it means?



Yes. I own a copy of both. I've read both multiple times.



Why don't you provide examples from the Old Testament, New Testament, and Quran to prove your case?

Mutations of species is evident, but evolution is impossible in this universe, because all life is dependant on other life forms. Therefore life did not evolve in this universe, but it is only a shadow of a truth.
Yahwah who is God came into being on His own accord. Beginning without Ending, he created this universe. Now if the bible is a myth to you, then how could ancient man know of other dimensions?

 

[Rasta]

Mutations of species is evident, but evolution is impossible in this universe, because all life is dependant on other life forms. Therefore life did not evolve in this universe, but it is only a shadow of a truth.
Yahwah who is God came into being on His own accord. Beginning without Ending, he created this universe. Now if the bible is a myth to you, then how could ancient man know of other dimensions?

Non sequiter. You jump from evolution to cosmology. Can you please explain the correlation?

 

[JudaicChristian]

Non sequiter. You jump from evolution to cosmology. Can you please explain the correlation?

One thing leads to another, and another, and another... Zero equals one, because zero has a value. Even absolute nothing is something.

 

[Rasta]

One thing leads to another, and another, and another... Zero equals one, because zero has a value. Even absolute nothing is something.

So why does zero = Jesus?

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

No, names are just human inventions. Just because you claim to be "logical" doesn't mean you are.

No, JESUS, GOD, CHRIST, JESUS CHRIST, ALPHA AND OMEGA, etc.. These names humans did not make up.

Like I said Rasta you have a willing ignorance that no evolutionist can see. Here I will break it down for you.

1. I made a claim "about" logical reasoning.
2. I never stated in my claim to be "logical."
3. Your reasoning fails to provide any kind of logical interpretations because you show in your statements that you have faulty reasoning skills. I mean if you cannot see this then I don't what to tell you. Because I never once claimed to be logical and to say I did whenever I didn't is a fallacy.
4. Why would you care? Were just a random chance process of a primeval soup. You shouldn't care because this is just a random process.

 

[Gardenia]

No, JESUS, GOD, CHRIST, JESUS CHRIST, ALPHA AND OMEGA, etc.. These names humans did not make up.

And there are other religions out there which would say the exact same thing about their Deities.. So, again, we're left with a bunch of beliefs rather than fact..

 

[Rasta]

No, JESUS, GOD, CHRIST, JESUS CHRIST, ALPHA AND OMEGA, etc.. These names humans did not make up.

Jesus: Yeshuah is the origional word and it is Hebrew.
God: Ghutom is the origional word and it is Germanic.
Christ: Khristos is the Greek translation of meshiach which is Hebrew.
Alpha: Is the first letter of the Greek alphabet.
Omega: Is the last letter of the Greek alphabet.

All of these languages were made by man.

1. I made a claim "about" logical reasoning.

Why did you put about in quotes?

2. I never stated in my claim to be "logical."

Ok, good.

3. Your reasoning fails to provide any kind of logical interpretations because you show in your statements that you have faulty reasoning skills. I mean if you cannot see this then I don't what to tell you. Because I never once claimed to be logical and to say I did whenever I didn't is a fallacy.

Oh, so you were critisizing someone with no grounds to stand on? Ok.

4. Why would you care? Were just a random chance process of a primeval soup. You shouldn't care because this is just a random process.

Why shouldn't I care? Truth is important to me.

 

[WingsOfEagles07]

Jesus: Yeshuah is the origional word and it is Hebrew.
God: Ghutom is the origional word and it is Germanic.
Christ: Khristos is the Greek translation of meshiach which is Hebrew.
Alpha: Is the first letter of the Greek alphabet.
Omega: Is the last letter of the Greek alphabet.

All of these languages were made by man.



Why did you put about in quotes?



Ok, good.



Oh, so you were critisizing someone with no grounds to stand on? Ok.



Why shouldn't I care? Truth is important to me.

Your first statement = False. (you do not understand scripture no matter the origin of where it came)
Your second statement = I cannot believe you don't know someone who is wise in their own eyes don't know?

Your third statement = ok
Your fourth statement = False.
Your fifth statement = False. (deception not truth)

 

[Rasta]

Your first statement = False. (you do not understand scripture no matter the origin of where it came)

Wow! Now you are contesting the etymology (look it up if you need to) of language? What will you deny next?

Your second statement = I cannot believe you don't know someone who is wise in their own eyes don't know?

Enlighten me in that "case". LOL

Your fourth statement = False.

True. Very true actually.

Your fifth statement = False. (deception not truth)

Now you think you know MY opinions better than I do? LOL. What will you think of next?

 

[morningstar2651]

The tetragrammaton (YHVH) is the formula of creation.

I refer you to the relevant chapter of Liber ABA.

 

[humblemuslim]

I don't know where you have this from. I was going to ask you if you believe this statement to be true (the one I highlighted in red), but I guess you do, otherwise you wouldn't have posted it here.

So, assuming you do agree with this statement, that would mean that you also believe that all people of all religions do in fact believe in one God only, but they just call Him differently?! I wonder how would this be possible considering that there is such a huge difference in each religion's teachings about God. Just take Islam vs. Christianity. I mean, it is crystal clear that Yahweh is not Allah! The Allah presented in the Qur'an is not the Yahweh presented in the Bible. So this whole little story you posted above, is nothing but a desperate try (by the one who wrote it) to say that "no matter what god(s) you believe in, as long as you do believe in something supernatural, then you'll be saved". IMO that is again one of Satan's strategies to make everything look nice, to make people say to themselves: "Don't worry about anything, just live your life, believe in 'something' and it'll be OK." What a nonsense!

You really should know better that we don't have all the same God. Why do you think Muslims insist that God may be called by his Arabic name 'Allah'? Because this name is not better than the others?

I think the name someone does use to call his 'god' is indeed very important, because it shows who this god is!

Well not exactly. Intention is the key here. If someone starts referring to a rock as Allah, their Lord and God, and direct their prayers towards this rock, then by extension of their intentions they do not believe in the same God. So any group of people that believe something physical is God believes in something else.

When it comes to a nonphysical deity, our inability to quantify, describe, and understand this being will prevent anyone from announcing a flawless statement regarding this being's essence. There are a multitude of ways people will attempt such a statement, but every single of of them contains inherent problems and assumptions.

The Holy Scriptures of the world serve the purpose of giving us a base line, not the whole picture.

Differences, sure. As for huge, not so sure about that. In many areas where traditionally people have seen irreconcilable differences in their religion with another I have had the opportunity to see similarity and agreement at times. I think the mentality that one's religion is completely incapable with all others is simply a delusion caused by insincerity in one's beliefs. Speaking from experience, when I first discussed religion online I suffered from the delusion. As time passed it became apparent to me that I had nothing to worry about in terms of my beliefs.

Well, like Rasta when I read the Old Testament I see a very familiar deity. It is the New Testament deity that does not seem to fit neatly with the Jewish and Islamic traditions.

Believing is not enough. Action and intent are the keys. I can believe murder is wrong and then go around murdering people all day long because I do not like them. My correct belief would not save me in this case.

Since I do not hold this view regarding the word/name/title Allah, I do not know. Possibly one who believes the word/name/title Allah is special could elaborate on why for everyone here. We have JudaicChristian who argues for Yahweh. Guess we need a muslim to argue for Allah.

I do find it interesting that followers of the Abrahamic faiths seem to be obessessed with calling God specifically by a special name. We do not see this is Hinduism. We do not see this in pagan religions. I think the reason is because the followers of the Abrahamic faiths are threatened by the prospect of polytheism so much so that they, for their own convienence, deem all unfamiliar names evil so they do not have to waste time understanding what all these other religions actually believe.

So God is יַהְוֶה,,? (YHWH)

God is a word?

To think a word could cause so much.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Yahwah is a Holy Spirit and a living being. He is not a concept perceived by some man. There is only one God who created all things, and He is the beginning of life.

 

[peaceful soul]

originally posted by Rasta

What the meaning of the arabic word allah? Um, that is a fact.

'allah' is an Arabic word meaning 'the god', which origianlly applied to the chief god of each tribe of the pre Islamic Arab tribes and most likely to the chief god worshipped at the Kaaba; but, 'Allah' is a proper noun denoting the Islamic diety. By equating Allah with God (YHWH), Muslims take that to mean that their god is the same as the god of the Bible by various arguments. The most frequent one used is that they both talk about the god of Abraham, which makes them the same in their eyes. That is the fact.

Why? It's true.

Yes, you say so; but if diasagee, I just relabel it as opinion. That is what I feel that you are doing. Should I take your statements to be "absolute authority"? That is what you are doing when replying to another poster.

I'm just trying to offer a neutral balanced view. Becky was pretending that her stance is stronger than it actually is. Sorry. Sometimes reality bites, but at least I'm honest.

I am not sure how neutral and biased your view is. It seems more like a negation of someone else's view to me.

I'm not. I'm contesting for the sake of truth. You decide what is a waste of your time, and I will decide mine.

Your ploy is equivalent to trolling. Are you sure that you speak for the sake of truth since I see this as an opinion.? The point that I want to make is that you are attacking more than being open to another's view, IMO. Just so that you don't keep this up, I am withdrawing from rounds of debating this topic. I can engage you on stuff dealing with the OP. I have the funny feeling that you are not going to let this one go. I thought that I would warn you in advance.