GOD'S LAW AND JUDGEMENT TIME - ARE YOU READY?

[tall73]

Ok my friend I have to go for now. Excercise time.

I see you have edited to include this. Have a nice night. I am going to bed as well.

But this question is still waiting for you when you get back:

Verse 12 says the ENTRY was once for all.

12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Holy Places once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

So again, how can the entry happen later for the Day of Atonement if the entry is once for all?

 

[tall73]

Look up your words here you have made a mistake G39 HOLY PLACE = Sanctuary


Maybe get some sleep we will talk about it more latter. Nice talking to you. 99

No mistake. He entered through the whole sanctuary. He had to in order to Inaugurate. And the entry is once for all. There are no more entries.

 

[tall73]

Maybe get some sleep you seem tired.

I will get some sleep. Though I am not that tired.

But you still need to answer how the Day of Atonement entry can happen later when He already made the once for all entry.

We know the entry was through the whole sanctuary as He inaugurated, and that requires entry through the entire.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No mistake. He entered through the whole sanctuary. He had to in order to Inaugurate. And the entry is once for all. There are no more entries.

Of course he did because his sacrifice is sufficient for all sin and the way was not opened while the earthly was going. Once again look at the context my friend. It is not saying that the day of atonement has started

 

[tall73]

And then you also have to explain where the books are investigated by the high priest in the sanctuary in the Day of Atonement type.

You can talk about more than one thing at once, as you have previously.

But you need to show me that because that is your whole argument.

 

[tall73]

Of course he did because his sacrifice is sufficient for all sin and the way was not opened while the earthly was going. Once again look at the context my friend. It is not saying that the day of atonement has started

Once for all entry. It did start or it never will.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I will get some sleep. Though I am not that tired.

But you still need to answer how the Day of Atonement entry can happen later when He already made the once for all entry.

We know the entry was through the whole sanctuary as He inaugurated, and that requires entry through the entire.

This has already been answered in post post # 489. Paul is comparing the OLD and the NEW and discussing the NEW Heavenly ministration is now open under the new Covenant.

Ok let's chat more latter I really have to go now so need to say goodbye for now. Nice talking to you though

Have a nice rest

 

[tall73]

Not at all the scriptures Hebrews 9 are saying that Christs sacrifice is sufficient once and for all sin. No more sacrifices required.

Insomnia again. But I might as well make use of it.

That is the point. No more sacrifices, but not just the death. The ministration as well. That is why the context mentioning various types of sacrifices is not a drawback, but is actually a help.

Jesus completed the death once for all. And the text says He completed the entry once for all.

And He completed the blood work for every single sacrifice, death and ministration.

Let's go through some of them:

Daily

26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself

11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God


Inauguration

19 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh

(By the way Inauguration involves administering blood through the whole sanctuary as well, alluded to here
9:21Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry.).

Ratifying the covenant:

16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood.

Day of Atonement:

23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be j]">[j]purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are k]">[k]copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.


All of the blood work in the sanctuary, for all the offerings were completed in Jesus' once for all entry, into God's presence, to present Himself the completed Sacrifice.

The author sets this up in verse 7. There the high priest enters and OFFERS blood in God's presence.

In 25 Jesus enters as High Priest and OFFERS Himself the completed sacrifice.

The same word for offer is used by the author, to show the parallel presentations in God's presence.

And that is in fact the fulfillment of the type. The type does not have books, and investigation happening in the sanctuary. It has death, entry, presentation before the Father.

It all happened by the time Hebrews was written.

And then He sat down and we can come to the throne of grace to receive the benefits of the completed blood work.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Insomnia again. But I might as well make use of it. That is the point. No more sacrifices, but not just the death. The ministration as well.

You must be tired get some rest. It seems like your saying there is no more heavenly ministration? That cannot be the case as the heavenly ministration starts as the earthly finishes. Hebrews 8 to Hebrews 10 is comparing the earthly with the OLD Covenant and the heavenly with the New Covenant. If there was no more heavenly ministration Jesus would not be our great high Priest. There is no scripture support for this idea. Maybe you are not saying what I think you are saying. If not you may need to explain yourself better here.

That is why the context mentioning various types of sacrifices is not a drawback, but is actually a help. Jesus completed the death once for all. And the text says He completed the entry once for all. And He completed the blood work for every single sacrifice, death and ministration.

Yes he did this is what these chapters discuss. It is a comparison of the old covenant and the earthly Sanctuary ministration with the new covenant and the much better Heavenly ministration with Christ sacrifice being all sufficient for all Sanctuary service from the daily through to the cleansing of the Sanctuary.

Where you run into trouble however as previously outlined is that there is no scripture here that supports your idea that the day of atonement or cleansing of the Sanctuary has commenced. There are only parallels between the Old and New Sanctuary services showing the patterns and the new better ministration.

Let's go through some of them:

Daily

26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself

11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God

Inauguration

19 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh

(By the way Inauguration involves administering blood through the whole sanctuary as well, alluded to here
9:21Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry.).

Ratifying the covenant:

16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood.

Day of Atonement:

23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be j]">purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are k]"copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Sorry tall, we have gone through these scriptures already in detail in post # 489 linked. Your only repeating yourself here as not one of those scripture provided say anything about the day of atonement starting for the cleansing of the Sanctary. Please re-read the linked post or Hebrews chapter 9

In relation to Hebrews 9 post # 489 show that the context and topic of discussion is comparing the earthly and heavenly Sanctuary's and the content and ministration between them both.

There is no scripture provided here whatsoever that states in any way that the day of atonement has started. Simply that Christs perfect sacrifice is sufficient for all sin and all aspects of the heavenly ministration with Jesus as our great high priest.

Please re-read Chapter 9 pray about it and show me were it says the day of atonement has started. It doesn't it is simply a comparison of the old and new and demonstrates Christs perfect sacrifice is sufficient for all sin for the heavenly ministration.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No, I have not asserted that ta hagia means "most holy place."

So were you not trying to use Hebrews 9:23-25 as proof texts in reference to the day of atonement?

Its use is determined by context, but usually refers to the whole sanctuary.

Indeed this is my point.

And of course, I noted Adventist scholars who agree 9:23-25 are a reference to the Day of Atonement--why? Because of context.

Being a reference to the day of atonement when the context is in relation to Christs perfect sacrifice only needing to be offered once when compared to the earlthy sacrifices that need to be offered continually is not a reference to the starting of the day of atonement in this Chapter. This is the difference between our interpretation of these scriptures.

The sacrifice happened in the first century. That means you cannot dismiss texts that speak about other elements happening in the first century, because they don't fit your notions of when you think it should happen.

We both agree that the sacrifice was provied at Christs death and it is discussed in the book of Hebrews as a perfect sacrifice for all sin for the Christs ministration as our great high priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary. What you have not show however is the scriptures that say the day of atonement has started in the heavenly Sanctuary in the book of Hebrews or elsewhere in the NT.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

And when do you propose God selected Christ to be the sin offering? Do you think that will be in 1844? It cannot be, He was already offered. And do you think God did not know then who would be the goat for Azazel in the first century? Do you think God cast lots, to decide that Jesus would die for your sins, rather than Satan? Are you saying Satan was a sinless being, qualified to be a sin offering?

In the earthly the lots were selected as the goats were brought into the presence of God so that under the Levitical Priesthood (sinful man) may know the will of God. In the heavenly Christ is both God and High Priest that the earthly point to. The type was to determine the sin offering and the scapegoat. These have already been determined from the foundation of the world and God's plan of salvation for mankind (1 Peter 1:8). Your mixing up the earthly with the heavenly by asking such questions.

This is a summary of the process. The live goat is not released or sins transferred until after the work in the sanctuary is complete, as the rest of the chapter outlines, and as is referenced in the "shall" of Lev. 16:10.

Indeed that is why it was posted to show the process. That the day of atonement and the cleansing of the Sanctuary is for the removal of sin from the presence of God out of the Sanctuary.

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[LoveGodsWord]

Hebrews describes this taking place in the past tense.

The book of Hebrews does not say that the day of atonement happened in the past tense for the Heavenly Sanctuary. It does not even say when the day of atonement starts in the heavenly Sanctuary in the all of the NEW Testament. Can you provide scripture showing that the day of atonement started in the book of Hebrews?

Providing scripture that shows that Christs sacrifice for sin is once and for all sin in the book of hebrews is not saying the day of atonement has started now does it?

But the entry into God's presence to present Himself also took place.

Indeed as shown in the scriptures earlier; Not only is Christ our great high priest he is also our KING as well as God and God the father has made him a throne by his right side in heaven (Hebrews 1:8).

And it is in the context of the cleansing of the heavenly things, and compared to the entry of the high priest yearly with blood:

23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are k]">[k]copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Holy Places every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

This is pretty much repitition alredy discussed. Happy to do so again. The scriptures quoted here as well as the chapter is discussing Christ's perfect sacrifice and comparing it to the earthly sacrifices. Christs sacrifice is once and for all sin for all aspects of the Sanctuary ministration.

There is not one scripture in all the NT let alone the book of Hebrews that say that the day of atonement or cleansing of the Sanctuary has started in the Heavenly Sanctuary. Therefore your reading into the scriptures something that is not there.

Now can you show the scripture that says the day of atonement has started in the heavenly Sancuary? If you cannot your reading into the scripture something that is not there.

Yes, now let's look at the text, instead of just summarizing it:
15 “Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering, which is for the people, bring its blood inside the veil, do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bull, and sprinkle it on the mercy seat and before the mercy seat. 16 So he shall make atonement for the Holy Place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions, for all their sins; and so he shall do for the tabernacle of meeting which remains among them in the midst of their uncleanness. 17 There shall be no man in the tabernacle of meeting when he goes in to make atonement in the Holy Place, until he comes out, that he may make atonement for himself, for his household, and for all the assembly of Israel.

So the high priest was cleansing the heavenly things while in the sanctuary.

What does Hebrews say Jesus did?

23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should bepurified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Holy Places every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

The scriptures are saying has always been stated with you earler. That is the book of Hebrews is discussing that the difference between the earthly sacrifices that need to be offered continually for all sin in relation to all ministration in the earthly Santuary in both apartments is different to the heavenly highlighting Christ's perfect sacrifice that only needed to be offered once for ALL SIN in the ministration of the Heavenly.

None of these scriptures are saying that the day of atonement has already started in heaven. This is not even the main point of the topic of discussion with Paul. The main topic of discussion here is Christs perfect sacrifice in the heavenly compared to the earthly.

The Book of Hebrews shows that Christ enters God's presence, because he not only is our sinless perfect sacrifice but because he is also GOD and KING and God the father has prepared a throne for him at his right side (Hebrews 1:8) not because the day of atonement has started. There is no scripture that says the day of atonement has started in the NT.

LGW wrote: 11. After the high priest finishes cleansing the Holy place, the tabernacle of meeting and the alter the high priest brings in the live goat and lay his hands on the goats head confessing ALL THE SIN OF GOD'S PEOPLE putting them on the head of the scapegoat for the removal of sin from the presence of God and final cleansing of sin from the Sanctuary. The goat is then taken away into the wilderness to a place not inhabited by a strong man, where the goat bears all the sins of God's people commited throughout the year. (Leviticus 16:20-22)

Clearly not happened yet. We agree. You know what else we haven't seen yet? Anything about books. The priest in the sanctuary made a cleansing application of blood for the cleansing of sin and the cleansing of the heavenly things. It has nothing to do with books.

How does what you say here have any relevance to what you are quoting from? Sorry my friend you may need to explain what your point is here as it does not seem to make any sense.

What Jesus did in Hebrews is exactly what the high priest did in the type--
death, entry, presentation before God with the completed sacrifice
What Jesus does in your version of the type is--books--which are nowhere mentioned in the type.

How is this true when you have already agreed that the day of atonement has not been completed and you have no scripture to show in the book of Hebrews when it has started? Are you reading into scriptures something it is not saying here? It seems like you are contradicting your

And this is the problem. When Hiram Edson first had his vision in the cornfield he perceived that the sanctuary to be cleansed was not the earth, as Miller had thought, but the heavenly sanctuary. Well that is true enough. However, they thought this would be quick. In fact, there was a brief time where they all thought the door was shut to others completely who had not responded to the message of Miller.

When it was not quick they later came up with the notion of what was taking so long--Ellen White was the first to reference the reviewing of the cases of each person.

But the type does not picture the high priest doing that in the sanctuary.

I think this is where we are in disagreement with the scriptures. As your applicaiton to the earthly to the heavenly is that you are applying the earthly ministration of the Levitical high priest as being the only duty of Christ. As shown earlier Christs ministration is much more then the Levitical priesthood of sinful mankind. Now we have a new priesthood where Christ is of the order Melchisedek (KING OF RIGHTEOUSNESS and HIGH PRIEST). As shown through the scriptures earlier, not only is Jesus our perfect sacfrifice he is also our KING who is seated at the righthand of God and he is also God. For all these reasons along with the scriptures highlighted earlier Jesus ministration is much more then the earthlty ministration of the Levitical proesthood of sinful man represented in the earthly Sanctuary which was only a pattern of the Heavenly.

* The investigative Judgment was God's role not the role priest. Jesus our GOD (John 1:1-3;14).
* Jesus is seated at the right hand of God the Father. Jesus our KING (Heb 1:5-13; 8:1)
* Jesus priesthood is differnt to the Levitical priesthood of sinful man. Jesus our high priest who ministers on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary (Heb 7:1-28)
* Jesus is our perfect sinless sacrifice once and for all sin in the ministration of the Heavenly. Jesus our perfect sacrifice (Hebrews 7:27; Hebrew 8 and Hebrews 9)

I think this is where your problem lies in your interpretation of the Heavenly and the role of Jesus when comparing the Heavenly to the earthly Sanctuary and the investigative judgment which include the books of the judgment.

You seem to be ignoring the scriptures provided that show that Christ's role as our GOD, KING and HIGHPRIEST and PERFECT SACRIFICE which cover all these duties outside of the earlthy Sanctuary but are applied to the Heavenly and God's plan of salvation for mankind
both inside and outside of the Heavenly Sanctuary.

Hope this helps.


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[LoveGodsWord]

You just summarized the entire type of the Day of Atonement, and there were not books in them.

Why do you feel I need to? Is there any books in the Sanctuary in relation to the judgment? The investigative judgment highlighted in the books of the judgment are a separate work that only God does.

This was already discussed and scriptures provided with the application of Christs ministration in the Heavenly as not only our perfect sacrifice and High Priest but also as our God and King.

Rev. 20. and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. The plural does not tell us one way or the other, because the books opened first are plural by themselves. Then another books is opened, the book of life. Daniel 7 makes no mention of a book of life. But then it doesn't need to because it doesn't mention anything about a judgment on individuals to start with.

The is pretty much repetition of what has alredy been discussed. Your argument here is that Daniel 7:10 which says; [10], A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened is not referring to the book of life.

We can agree however that there are books in the judgment and but they are not specifed what books these are in this scripture.

You state this scripture is not referring to the book of life.

Could you please provide the scripture that says that Daniel 7:10 is not referring to the book of Life as one of the books specified here in the judgment?

If you cannot then you cannot say that one of the books specified here is not the book of life correct?

Now what was shown earlier is that other scriptures outside of Daniel clearly show what these book are that are used in God's judgment.

The books [plural] were opened. There is only two books to do with God's judgment they are the book of life and the book of remembrance (deeds and acts) * Rev 3:5; 8; 17:8; 20:12-13; 15; Mal 3:16.

Can you prove that these books are not a reference to Daniel 7?

By showing what the scripture say are the books of the judgment I believe this show what books are being used in the Judgment.

The judgment is on the fourth beast, the little horn, and the three other beasts are allowed to live.

Sorry tall, this is only repetition again that has already been covered by the scriptures in earlier posts. Here it was shown the parallels between Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 focusing on the visions and the interpretation by the angel. The judgment is connected to the cleansing of the Sanctuary after the 2300 year prophecy and the restoration of God's truth well after the death of Jesus. The cleansing of the Sanctuary as shown in Leviticus 16 is not about cleansing from wicked people it is the cleansing of the sins of God's people. This ties very nicely into the other scriptures presented on the books of the judgment and the book of life being one of these books used.

The outcome of the cleasning of the Sanctuary and the investigative judgment of Daniel 7:10 is the kingdom of God being given to God's people and the removal of the little horns power.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before ]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

You see how it mentions not only the book of life, but that the dead will be judged? None of that is said in Daniel 7.

This is like some who argue that a scripture that is citing individual commandment from the 10 Commandments is not talking about the 10 Commandments because the words 10 Commandments is not being used. It does not prove your believe that the book of life was not one of the books used in Daniel 7:10 when the cleansing of the Sanctuary referenced in 8:14 is for the sins of the people of God as shown in Leviticus 16. The scriptures are already provided as to what books are used in the judgment. These are the book of life and the book of remembrance (Rev 3:5; 8; 17:8; 20:12-13; 15; Mal 3:16)

But there is a larger issue yet. You keep pointing to Daniel 7 and saying "see, Day of Atonement". And I keep asking where? And you keep saying "there are books!" But you just went through the Day of Atonement type, and what the high priest did in the sanctuary.

It seems you are mixed up here. I did not say the Judgment is the day of atonement at all. Scripture was presented to show the parallels between Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 linking the cleansing of the Sanctuary to the time of the investigative judgment and the completion of these resulting in the removal of the little horn and the kingdom of God being given to God's people.

The type did not have the high priest going into the sanctuary and doing anything with books, or investigation. He went into God's presence with the sacrificial blood for cleansing.

Agreed. Judgment has always been God's Work in heaven which is linked to sin. Both judgment and the cleansing of the Sanctuary however take place prior to God's kingdom being given to his people and the removing of the little horn.

This has already been addressed in earlier posts as well.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I do in fact agree that Jesus is King. And I agree His sitting on the throne is because of that.

And in chapter 10 the sitting is contrasted with the priest's standing to offer.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Indeed and none of those scriptures say that the day of atonement has started after Christs resurrection now do they?

He sat down at the right hand, which is reigning as King. But He also sat down after He offered one sacrifice for sins forever. The priest stands ministering...again and again. But He offered once. It is in contrast to the priest standing.

Indeed once again, this is not saying that the day of atonement has started after the resurrection of Jesus, simply that Christs perfect sacrifice is sufficient for all sin in the ministration of all aspects of the heavenly Sanctuary.

There seems to be a lot of scripture you cannot reconcile in relation to the cleansing of the Sanctuary and the day of atonement being discussed here if you believe this started at Christs resurrection.

1. You cannot show any scripture that starts the cleansing of the Sanctuary or day of atonement in the New Testament

2. You cannot reconcile that the cleansing of the Sanctuary or anti-type of the day of atonement started only after the establishment of the little horn and the 2300 year prophecy which is well after the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Something to think about.

 

[tall73]

I think this is where we are in disagreement with the scriptures. As your applicaiton to the earthly to the heavenly is that you are applying the earthly ministration of the Levitical high priest as being the only duty of Christ. As shown earlier Christs ministration is much more then the Levitical priesthood of sinful mankind. Now we have a new priesthood where Christ is of the order Melchisedek (KING OF RIGHTEOUSNESS and HIGH PRIEST). As shown through the scriptures earlier, not only is Jesus our perfect sacfrifice he is also our KING who is seated at the righthand of God and he is also God. For all these reasons along with the scriptures highlighted earlier Jesus ministration is much more then the earthlty ministration of the Levitical proesthood of sinful man represented in the earthly Sanctuary which was only a pattern of the Heavenly.

* The investigative Judgment was God's role not the role priest. Jesus our GOD (John 1:1-3;14).
* Jesus is seated at the right hand of God the Father. Jesus our KING (Heb 1:5-13; 8:1)
* Jesus priesthood is differnt to the Levitical priesthood of sinful man. Jesus our high priest who ministers on our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary (Heb 7:1-28)
* Jesus is our perfect sinless sacrifice once and for all sin in the ministration of the Heavenly. Jesus our perfect sacrifice (Hebrews 7:27; Hebrew 8 and Hebrews 9)

I think this is where your problem lies in your interpretation of the Heavenly and the role of Jesus when comparing the Heavenly to the earthly Sanctuary and the investigative judgment which include the books of the judgment.

You seem to be ignoring the scriptures provided that show that Christ's role as our GOD, KING and HIGHPRIEST and PERFECT SACRIFICE which cover all these duties outside of the earlthy Sanctuary but are applied to the Heavenly and God's plan of salvation for mankind
both inside and outside of the Heavenly Sanctuary.

So this is your admission that the Levitical rites did not include the books.

But the problem is that Ellen White indicated that it was the priestly role being completed here, in fulfillment of that type.

In the typical service only those who had come before God with confession and repentance, and whose sins, through the blood of the sin offering, were transferred to the sanctuary, had a part in the service of the Day of Atonement. So in the great day of final atonement and investigative judgment the only cases considered are those of the professed people of God. GC chapter 28

She reads books into the Levitical type. And they are not there.

You are also going against the Adventists Fundamental Belief:

In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. In that typical service the sanctuary was cleansed with the blood of animal sacrifices, but the heavenly things are purified with the perfect sacrifice of the blood of Jesus.


If you wish to discard Adventist theology, feel free. I will not object. But your statements here that Jesus' work is not fulfilling the Levitical type, but is something else, is not Adventist doctrine.

But I don't blame you for rejecting their reading into the type.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So this is your admission that the Levitical rites did not include the books.

But the problem is that Ellen White indicated that it was the priestly role being completed here.

In the typical service only those who had come before God with confession and repentance, and whose sins, through the blood of the sin offering, were transferred to the sanctuary, had a part in the service of the Day of Atonement. So in the great day of final atonement and investigative judgment the only cases considered are those of the professed people of God. GC chapter 28

She reads books into the Levitical type. And they are not there.

Sorry tall, I do not understand your point here you may need to get some sleep. Your post does not seem to make any sense to what you are responding to. We can chat more latter if you like.

 

[tall73]

Again, she says it is the high priestly work on the Day of Atonement that is done:

As anciently the sins of the people were by faith placed upon the sin offering and through its blood transferred, in figure, to the earthly sanctuary, so in the new covenant the sins of the repentant are by faith placed upon Christ and transferred, in fact, to the heavenly sanctuary. And as the typical cleansing of the earthly was accomplished by the removal of the sins by which it had been polluted, so the actual cleansing of the heavenly is to be accomplished bythe removal, or blotting out, of the sins which are there recorded. But before this can be accomplished, there must be an examination of the books of record to determine who, through repentance of sin and faith in Christ, are entitled to the benefits of His atonement. The cleansing of the sanctuary therefore involves a work of investigation--a work of judgment.



Again, she claims it is the fulfillment of the Levitical type, but adds to the type

 

[tall73]

Sorry tall, I do not understand your point here you may need to get some sleep. Your post does not seem to make any sense to what you are responding to. We can chat more latter if you like.

The point is clear. By admitting that the Levitical type did not include review of books, etc. you have now gone beyond what Ellen White and your church claim.

They say it is the fulfillment of the Levitical type. But it cannot because there are no books or examination of books performed by the high priest in Leviticus 16.

They added to the type to explain the delay after 1844.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The point is clear. By admitting that the Levitical type did not include review of books, etc. you have now gone beyond what Ellen White and your church claim.

They say it is the fulfillment of the Levitical type. But it cannot because there are no books or examination of books performed by the high priest in Leviticus 16.

They added to the type to explain the delay after 1844.

Yea sorry tall, I do not read that in the posts you quoted. I think EGW is speaking of the earthly with the heavenly and the Cleansing of the Sanctuary in relation to the investigative judgment. There is no mention there at this is done by the highpriest. Only a reference to Jesus as high priest and God but the scriptures were provided to you earlier in relation to this. I think you may need to some rest.

 

[tall73]

Yea sorry tall, I do not read that in the posts you quoted. I think EGW is speaking of the earthly with the heavenly and the Cleansing of the Sanctuary in relation to the investigative judgment. There is no mention there at this is done by the highpriest. Only a reference to Jesus as high priest and God but the scriptures were provided to you earlier in relation to this. I think you may need to some rest.

There is no mention there at this is done by the highpriest. Only a reference to Jesus as high priest and God

Hm....nope, the Fundamental belief says it clearly:

He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin,

And so does Ellen White when she keeps referring to the type.

But again, if you wish to depart from SDA belief, feel free. You are certainly better off if you do not do as they do and read into the type.