God's Curse ?

[Ceridwen]

I was wondering if you guys believe what Theologian Thomas Watson says here. Do you guys believe that God ever curses other people, as Watson says here? Thanks for considering this question!

What does every sin deserve? God’s wrath and curse, both in this life, and in that which is to come. ‘Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire.’ Matt 25: 41. Man having sinned, is like a favourite turned out of the king’s favour, and deserves the wrath and curse of God. He deserves God’s curse. Gal 3: 10. As when Christ cursed the fig-tree, it withered; so, when God curses any, he withers in his soul. Matt 21: 19. God’s curse blasts wherever it comes. He deserves also God’s wrath, which is nothing else but the execution of his curse.
Thomas Watson, The Ten Commandments, "The Wrath of God."
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[HamletsChoice]

I was wondering if you guys believe what Theologian Thomas Watson says here. Do you guys believe that God ever curses other people, as Watson says here? Thanks for considering this question!

What does every sin deserve? God’s wrath and curse, both in this life, and in that which is to come. ‘Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire.’ Matt 25: 41. Man having sinned, is like a favourite turned out of the king’s favour, and deserves the wrath and curse of God. He deserves God’s curse. Gal 3: 10. As when Christ cursed the fig-tree, it withered; so, when God curses any, he withers in his soul. Matt 21: 19. God’s curse blasts wherever it comes. He deserves also God’s wrath, which is nothing else but the execution of his curse.​

Thomas Watson, The Ten Commandments, "The Wrath of God."​

Yes, absolutely!

 

[bradfordl]

God's Curse ?

I was wondering if you guys believe what Theologian Thomas Watson says here. Do you guys believe that God ever curses other people, as Watson says here? Thanks for considering this question!

Considering that scripture says He does, it would make sense to believe that He does. So I do. Will you reciprocate and tell us what it is that your answer is to your own question?

 

[Ceridwen]

I believe that God does curse his creatures under certain circumstances. How about others here in Semper Reformanda? What is your opinion about divine curses?

 

[cygnusx1]

I believe that God does curse his creatures under certain circumstances. How about others here in Semper Reformanda? What is your opinion about divine curses?

well , Jesus cursed a fig tree and the symbolism is all there .

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

I believe that God does curse his creatures under certain circumstances. How about others here in Semper Reformanda? What is your opinion about divine curses?

In point of fact, the revelation of scripture is that God has cursed the entire creation as a result of the sin of Adam. That includes all of Adam's offspring.

Were that not the case, we would not have needed the sacrifice of Christ.

This 'inherited curse' concept is all over scripture. Most blatantly, in Hebrews 7:10 when Levi is said to pay tiths to Melchizedek, although he wasn't born.

If Levi can pay tithes to Melchizedek through Abraham, i can sin through Adam, thus i'm cursed as well.

The Economy of God's grace is such:

• Everybody is under God's curse and justly condemned
  
• Some receive mercy
• The rest receive justice
  
• NOBODY receives injustice

So there is no problem with God's curse of mankind. It's scriptural, and is a proof of the sovereignity of God.

 

[Ceridwen]

There is no problem with God's curse of mankind. It's scriptural, and is a proof of the sovereignity of God.

When you use the word "sovereignty" in this context, what do you mean?

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

When you use the word "sovereignty" in this context, what do you mean?

Simple:

We are God's creation, God's possession. He can do and in fact does what He wishes with that creation. That would include destroying or cursing all or part of that creation.

Others will raise the objection "But God is a good God!", which really means nothing at all, because under monotheism, the existence of a "bad" God is impossible.

Note that for a man to curse another man is a sin. That is because that particular perrogative is exclusively God's as Sovereign.

 

[cubanito]

In point of fact, the revelation of scripture is that God has cursed the entire creation as a result of the sin of Adam. That includes all of Adam's offspring.

Were that not the case, we would not have needed the sacrifice of Christ.

This 'inherited curse' concept is all over scripture. Most blatantly, in Hebrews 7:10 when Levi is said to pay tiths to Melchizedek, although he wasn't born.

If Levi can pay tithes to Melchizedek through Abraham, i can sin through Adam, thus i'm cursed as well.

The Economy of God's grace is such:

• Everybody is under God's curse and justly condemned
  
• Some receive mercy
• The rest receive justice
  
• NOBODY receives injustice

So there is no problem with God's curse of mankind. It's scriptural, and is a proof of the sovereignity of God.

I can add nothing to this but my agreement.

JR

 

[FreeinChrist]

Just moving this to the correct subforum...carry on.

 

[Ceridwen]

Under monotheism, the existence of a "bad" God is impossible.

I've never heard this before. Could you please explain how this follows? I don't understand.

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

I've never heard this before. Could you please explain how this follows? I don't understand.

When one uses the terms 'good' or 'bad', to what standard do they appeal?

When you have a conflict with someone you believe has committed a wrong against you, you are actually appealing to some standard. By what standard do you call his or her behaviour wrong?

There are two basic sources for standards:

1. Internal to the person making judgements (subjective)
2. External to the person making judgements (objective)

God as Sovereign determines the standards of 'good' and 'bad'. Good is a reflection of God's character attributes. It is not possible that a 'bad' God could exist in a monotheistic belief system, because that God would determine the standard of 'good' and 'bad'.

Such a realisation lead some, particularly the docetic gnostics to propose 'dualistic' systems.

The 'eastern' religions propose two opposite 'forces' (ying/yang). Those are not monotheistic systems.




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