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I can link you to some work done with the argument by professional philosophers if you want.

Present whatever argument you want as long as it's backed with some good evidence.
 
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Why have it backed by evidence?

Because we would then have some reason to accept your argument as correct. If you have nothing to back your argument, why would I bother with it?
 
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Why have it backed by evidence?

Because we would then have some reason to accept your argument as correct. If you have nothing to back your argument, why would I bother with it?

No, I mean about Christianity. Why are you concerned about whether Christians have evidence for their views?
 
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No, I mean about Christianity. Why are you concerned about whether Christians have evidence for their views?

Most non believers are not concerned. It is only when certain Christians, begin to make claims about their views and or judge others who disagree with them, that these questions regarding evidence typically begin.
 
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Most non believers are not concerned. It is only when certain Christians, begin to make claims about their views and or judge others who disagree with them, that these questions regarding evidence typically begin.

But why?
 
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Can you demonstrate that? Or are you just going to go with the argument from bald assertion?
If the past is actually infinite then we can never reach the present, but since the present exists, the past is not infinite, so therefore there was a first cause.
 
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Why not?

Well, what we believe or not and why is a matter of simply appealing to our physiological makeup at any given moment, if naturalism is true.

What we believe or not and why is determined by how it aids in survival. Seems to me that trivializes such discussions.
 
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How does that stop there being a present ?
The inability to traverse an actual infinite number of moments prior to the present moment simply implies that if there is such a thing as "this present moment" then the number of moments prior to said present moment cannot be infinite but finite. This would imply that time itself began at some finite point in the past, a conclusion that has been confirmed by scientific observation and a point which the author of Genesis made long before people had the means of making such scientific observations.

+1 for the Bible
 
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From van Tillian presuppositionalism to Anselm's ontological argument to the 'first cause' argument, in three pages.

Pick one crappy argument and stick with it, please.
 
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From van Tillian presuppositionalism to Anselm's ontological argument to the 'first cause' argument, in three pages.

Pick one crappy argument and stick with it, please.

I'm happy you're interested in seeing arguments for the existence of God. I think for you and I, it would be better if we came to some sort of agreement first on what type of argument it would take for you to abandon atheism for theism. What makes an argument good or bad to you? I think first, an argument needs to be logically valid. I secondly think that the premises need to be more plausibly true than their opposites.

Do you agree with those two?
 
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