Godlessness and choice

[anonymous person]

Not much. Does nothing to support the fantastic claims of christianity.

Oh really?

Well those 7 do move you from non-theism to theism. From there I would provide lines of evidence for Christianity specifically by pointing you to his work on the resurrection, evidence which meets the criteria you provided in that it is not an appeal to personal religious experience.
The Resurrection of Jesus | Reasonable Faith

 

[anonymous person]

Pick one of the seven, and we'll discuss.

I like them all. Which one do you find more persuasive?

 

[bhsmte]

I like them all. Which one do you find more persuasive?

They are your arguments, pick one.

 

[bhsmte]

Oh really?

Well those 7 do move you from non-theism to theism. From there I would provide lines of evidence for Christianity specifically by pointing you to his work on the resurrection, evidence which meets the criteria you provided in that it is not an appeal to personal religious experience.
The Resurrection of Jesus | Reasonable Faith

Opinion.

 

[quatona]

You have to use your senses to do that though.

I´m looking forward to finding out if there´s a point pertinent to the topic at hand in you pointing out the ineviteble. Like, for example, whether you are going to suggest an alternative epistemology that doesn´t depend on senses and brain processing.

 

[quatona]

They are your arguments, pick one.

He seems to be under the impression that seven poor argument combined make a good case.

 

[HitchSlap]

I like them all. Which one do you find more persuasive?

I don't care. You pick what you think is the strongest.

 

[anonymous person]

I don't care. You pick what you think is the strongest.

My favorite argument is not on the website I linked.

My favorite argument is just simply appealing to Jesus. The Jesus we see in the New Testament is just out of this world!

 

[HitchSlap]

My favorite argument is not on the website I linked.

My favorite argument is just simply appealing to Jesus. The Jesus we see in the New Testament is just out of this world!

Yes, quite the story.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Well I have good news for you!

All you have to do is go to www.reasonablefaith.org and there you will find 7 different lines of independent evidence for Christianity. None of these 7 pieces of evidence consist of an appeal to personal religious experiences! The article in which you will find these was actually published in Philosophy Now (Nov./Dec. 2013)

Does God Exist? | Reasonable Faith

lol, really? What on that site do you find convincing in particular?

 

[Dave Ellis]

Oh really?

Well those 7 do move you from non-theism to theism. From there I would provide lines of evidence for Christianity specifically by pointing you to his work on the resurrection, evidence which meets the criteria you provided in that it is not an appeal to personal religious experience.
The Resurrection of Jesus | Reasonable Faith

Why would that lead you to accept theism?

 

[Dave Ellis]

I like them all. Which one do you find more persuasive?

I don't think any of them are particularly persuasive...

 

[quatona]

My favorite argument is not on the website I linked.

My favorite argument is just simply appealing to Jesus. The Jesus we see in the New Testament is just out of this world!

That´s what you started with a couple of pages ago. When the problems of this argument were shown, you changed your tune and brought up some of those seven arguments, and now we are back full circle.

 

[bhsmte]

That´s what you started with a couple of pages ago. When the problems of this argument were shown, you changed your tune and brought up some of those seven arguments, and now we are back full circle.

Not surprising.

 

[anonymous person]

Why would that lead you to accept theism?

They did not lead me to theism. I did not become a follower of Christ because I read some arguments for theism.

However, when I said that they were enough to move someone from atheism to theism, I meant that the arguments contained conclusions which support theism.

 

[bhsmte]

They did not lead me to theism. I did not become a follower of Christ because I read some arguments for theism.

However, when I said that they were enough to move someone from atheism to theism, I meant that the arguments contained conclusions which support theism.

In your opinion.

 

[HitchSlap]

They did not lead me to theism. I did not become a follower of Christ because I read some arguments for theism.

However, when I said that they were enough to move someone from atheism to theism, I meant that the arguments contained conclusions which support theism.

So, you concluded that theism is correct in spite of the arguments, but you think the arguments are good enough for atheists? And when pressed, you claim that the existence of Jesus is your most compelling. Unfortunately, there are zero contemporary accounts of Jesus biblical or extrabiblical. What we do know about Jesus, are from copies of copies from anonymous authors, written in a language Jesus never spoke, in third person narrative, and from countries Jesus never visited. Everything you know of Jesus is, essentially, hearsay.

 

[Ed1wolf]

...and you manage to read from that that I declared them false? Wow.
Now I get a better idea how you collect evidence.

Yes, how could it be taken any other way?

 

[Dave Ellis]

They did not lead me to theism. I did not become a follower of Christ because I read some arguments for theism.

However, when I said that they were enough to move someone from atheism to theism, I meant that the arguments contained conclusions which support theism.

Sure, the conclusions support that. However, those conclusions are based on flawed logic and a lack of evidence.

As such, why accept the arguments?

 

[anonymous person]

Sure, the conclusions support that. However, those conclusions are based on flawed logic and a lack of evidence.

As such, why accept the arguments?

I don't think you should accept arguments based on flawed logic or a lack of evidence.