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So, what I've learned from the past few posts is that God is omnipotent, except when he could be saving souls.
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Yes, he's omnipotent.So, what I've learned from the past few posts is that God is omnipotent, except when he could be saving souls.
So, what I've learned from the past few posts is that God is omnipotent, except when he could be saving souls.
Another thing that is odd is that while AV and I agreed that an omnimax being's existence would be illogical, he and other Christians are somehow able to apply logical descriptors, limitations, and feelings to it.I would say that God is omnipotent, except when fundies don't want him to be.
Don't take AV as any kind of intellectual authority on Christian thought.Another thing that is odd is that while AV and I agreed that an omnimax being's existence would be illogical, he and other Christians are somehow able to apply logical descriptors, limitations, and feelings to it.
Don't worry. I consider AV neither an authority nor an intellectual.Don't take AV as any kind of intellectual authority on Christian thought.
That is, of course, your prerogative.Don't worry. I consider AV neither an authority nor an intellectual.
None, & I mean none of the above, had anything to do with 'God's healing Will', whatsoever.It's been my observation that
those who pray for healing do so PLUS seeking the best health care available to them.
It goes something like this:
Prayer request: "Mama just got pancreatic cancer. We're taking her to Stanford.
They have one of the best cancer treating hospitals around.
Would you pray that god gives insight, to the doctors so mama gets the best care?"
Congregation: "We'll keep her in our prayers."
... two weeks later.
Prayer request: "Mama started chemotherapy last week. She's real sick.
Please pray that she feels better, in between her chemo treatments."
...two weeks later.
Prayer request: "The doctors say mama isn't going to make it. They've done everything they can do.
They told us to take mama home and call hospice.
Please pray that her family has the strength to deal with this."
...one week later.
"Mama passed away last night. Please pray for dad, as he's taking this real hard.
This must have been god's will. I guess he needed her more than we did."
Don't worry. I consider AV neither an authority nor an intellectual.
That is, of course, your prerogative.
I would say that God is omnipotent, except when fundies don't want him to be.
Why not?So Goddidit, why?
I had a similar thought when the former pope, Karol Woytila was very ill and soon to die. Although he has near 1 billion catholics praying for him, although, he, as the highest pontif must certainly atrad-ct the attention of his god, went to the best hospital of Italy, and hired the best surgeon team of Italy.Furthermore, if "Goddidit" is such a great answer, why bother going to the doctor for your ills? Obviously God meant for you to contract the disease, and it is God's job to heal you. By going to the doctor you are taking the power out of God's hands and showing you don't really trust him to heal you. Plus, many of the medicines you take were made with the help of our understanding of evolution (Oh noes!).
childrenSo, in a big loud voice, who should you always trust, god or the scientists?
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
Didn't Jesus tell us we need doctors?Mind, this is of course what I would do if I were ill and had the money. But the pope? Can't he really rely on the prayers of his flock?
Didn't Jesus tell us we need doctors?
Luke 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
Please answer this -- preferably with only a YES or NO.
And speaking of Luke, here's a simple Bible question:
What does the Bible refer to Luke as?
You can ignore this post, like everyone else does -- and, unfortunately, I expect you to; but one thing you won't do, is fool us into feeling guilty that we go to doctors.
Didn't Jesus tell us we need doctors?
Luke 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
Please answer this -- preferably with only a YES or NO.
And speaking of Luke, here's a simple Bible question:
What does the Bible refer to Luke as?
You can ignore this post, like everyone else does -- and, unfortunately, I expect you to; but one thing you won't do, is fool us into feeling guilty that we go to doctors.
I had a similar thought when the former pope, Karol Woytila was very ill and soon to die. Although he has near 1 billion catholics praying for him, although, he, as the highest pontif must certainly atrad-ct the attention of his god, went to the best hospital of Italy, and hired the best surgeon team of Italy.
Mind, this is of course what I would do if I were ill and had the money. But the pope? Can't he really rely on the prayers of his flock? Can't he really rely on an intervention of his god? Who does he trust most, god or the sientists?
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YouTube - Friends of God -- Evolution
And tell, me, AV1611VET, can you answer that question, that you deleted, while quoting me?Didn't Jesus tell us we need doctors?
Luke 5:31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
Please answer this -- preferably with only a YES or NO.
And speaking of Luke, here's a simple Bible question:
What does the Bible refer to Luke as?
You can ignore this post, like everyone else does -- and, unfortunately, I expect you to; but one thing you won't do, is fool us into feeling guilty that we go to doctors.
Oh, I see -- it's a metaphor.
Quote mining your own bible, you are.
Jesus is there speaking by metaphore or by analogy.
He who? the Pope?And tell, me, AV1611VET, can you answer that question, that you deleted, while quoting me?
Who does he trust most, god or the sientists?
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