God will bring to ruin those who are ruining the Earth

[Xeno.of.athens]

The title is taken from scripture. It is a prophecy about God's coming acts. It is from Revelation 11:18. Is it a comment, however indirect or direct, about humanity bringing down the natural order of creation and substituting a human order that is ruining the Earth?

Is there a biblical perspective on human activity ruining biodiversity and ruining the air to make the climate harmful?

 

[trophy33]

Considering that almost all God's punishments in Revelations seem like destroying the ecosystem in a massive way, its very improbable and it would come out of the blue.

The word "Earth" means Israel, seas mean nations. Compare also to beasts from Earth and from seas in chapter 13.

Earth, seas, stars, sun, rivers, dragons and similar are used in a symbolic way.

 

[BobRyan]

The title is taken from scripture. It is a prophecy about God's coming acts. It is from Revelation 11:18. Is it a comment, however indirect or direct, about humanity bringing down the natural order of creation and substituting a human order that is ruining the Earth?

Is there a biblical perspective on human activity ruining biodiversity and ruining the air to make the climate harmful?

God wipes out Earth - Jer 4:23-26. Mankind could do it in a few hours if we unleashed all nukes on a certain day -- God does not allow it. God is going to do that job Himself. (not saying mankind cannot pollute though. We should not do that)

Jer 4:
23 I looked at the earth, and behold, it was a formless and desolate emptiness;
And to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,
And all the hills jolted back and forth.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no human,
And all the birds of the sky had fled.
26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness,
And all its cities were pulled down
Before the Lord, before His fierce anger.

So while it is true that He punishes those who themselves try to ruin the earth by their abuse and needless pollution of it, God Himself says He is not going to simply let things "wind down of their own accord". Rather He will like the days of Noah and the flood - bring it to an abrupt end.

 

[The Righterzpen]

The title is taken from scripture. It is a prophecy about God's coming acts. It is from Revelation 11:18. Is it a comment, however indirect or direct, about humanity bringing down the natural order of creation and substituting a human order that is ruining the Earth?

Is there a biblical perspective on human activity ruining biodiversity and ruining the air to make the climate harmful?

There are several passages in Scripture that talk about earth wearing out like a garment. Psalm 102:26, Isaiah 50:1-9, Isaiah 51:6, Hebrews 1:10-12 Which I think these passages are more contextually consistent with the idea of human activity (pollution) affecting echo systems, air, water, the ozone layer etc. And this is going to happen regardless of whether or not people intentionally pollute or not. We live in a cosmos that's decaying. That's just part of the fall. This cosmos in it's current state wasn't created to last forever. Thus the recreated heavens and earth.

The passage you're referencing in Revelation 11:18 I think is a little more diabolical than just the effects of human pollution. For example; consider something like gain of function research; what are these "researchers" actually doing? They are manipulating infectious agents to make them both more contagious as well as more deadly. Then they invent "vaccines" to allegedly counter the Frankenstein they created. These manipulations of genetic information are not something that occurs naturally by gene editing that occurs in organisms usually as part of the reproductive process. "Everything made after it's own kind". Yeah, when human "scientists" take something from one "kind" and splice it together to make a disease that now can infect everything on the planet that has ACE II receptors in it's respiratory system; that's what I would call "corrupting the earth".

And that is a far different scenario than you purchase a gas powered automobile and thus your "carbon footprint" is "X".

Now go back and look at things like battery operated "green" energy and consider what that cost in terms of mining elements like cobalt out of the ground and how primarily the people working in the mines are African children; and "green energy" gets very dark real quick. Then turn around and tell these very same communities that they need to run the sterilization equipment of their tiny health care clinic on solar power to "save the earth" when it would be much cheaper and more efficient because the area has adequate natural gas reserves to built a gas power plant. One gas power plant would serve to greatly improve the standard of living of one of these small nations when 50% of their population doesn't have electricity. Yet these ideologues want to force these people to "follow the green agenda"?

But of course it's easier to point the finger at some tiny medical clinic in some poor African country than to simply admit this planet is toast anyways. If this problem is really as bad as they say it is; than let's face it; we're beyond the point of no return. Even if they manage to kill half the earth's population through sterilization by fake vaccination programs; we can't undo the damage that's been done to this planet because of industrialization. How would we get the fluorocarbons out of the air and the teflon out of the water? How would one revert the affects on "gene pollution" from the crap eaten and injected that has caused massive global spikes in things like autism and Alzheimers. Look at all the common diseases that exist today that didn't exist 1000 years ago; or even just 500 years ago.

We all mite as well face the truth. It's over guys.

Come quickly Lord Jesus!

 

[BobRyan]

Considering that almost all God's punishments in Revelations seem like destroying the ecosystem in a massive way, its very improbable

the people of Noah's day tried that thought out - and look where it got them.

Not learning from history is a big problem.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

There are several passages in Scripture that talk about earth wearing out like a garment. Psalm 102:26, Isaiah 50:1-9, Isaiah 51:6, Hebrews 1:10-12 Which I think these passages are more contextually consistent with the idea of human activity (pollution) affecting echo systems, air, water, the ozone layer etc. And this is going to happen regardless of whether or not people intentionally pollute or not. We live in a cosmos that's decaying. That's just part of the fall. This cosmos in it's current state wasn't created to last forever. Thus the recreated heavens and earth.

The passage you're referencing in Revelation 11:18 I think is a little more diabolical than just the effects of human pollution. For example; consider something like gain of function research; what are these "researchers" actually doing? They are manipulating infectious agents to make them both more contagious as well as more deadly. Then they invent "vaccines" to allegedly counter the Frankenstein they created. These manipulations of genetic information are not something that occurs naturally by gene editing that occurs in organisms usually as part of the reproductive process. "Everything made after it's own kind". Yeah, when human "scientists" take something from one "kind" and splice it together to make a disease that now can infect everything on the planet that has ACE II receptors in it's respiratory system; that's what I would call "corrupting the earth".

And that is a far different scenario than you purchase a gas powered automobile and thus your "carbon footprint" is "X".

Now go back and look at things like battery operated "green" energy and consider what that cost in terms of mining elements like cobalt out of the ground and how primarily the people working in the mines are African children; and "green energy" gets very dark real quick. Then turn around and tell these very same communities that they need to run the sterilization equipment of their tiny health care clinic on solar power to "save the earth" when it would be much cheaper and more efficient because the area has adequate natural gas reserves to built a gas power plant. One gas power plant would serve to greatly improve the standard of living of one of these small nations when 50% of their population doesn't have electricity. Yet these ideologues want to force these people to "follow the green agenda"?

But of course it's easier to point the finger at some tiny medical clinic in some poor African country than to simply admit this planet is toast anyways. If this problem is really as bad as they say it is; than let's face it; we're beyond the point of no return. Even if they manage to kill half the earth's population through sterilization by fake vaccination programs; we can't undo the damage that's been done to this planet because of industrialization. How would we get the fluorocarbons out of the air and the teflon out of the water? How would one revert the affects on "gene pollution" from the crap eaten and injected that has caused massive global spikes in things like autism and Alzheimers. Look at all the common diseases that exist today that didn't exist 1000 years ago; or even just 500 years ago.

We all mite as well face the truth. It's over guys.

Come quickly Lord Jesus!

It is all about energy. Isn't it. Whether for transportation, heating, cooling, conveniences. We run out A/C to cool down an din the process expand our carbon footprint. Vicious cycle. When I was a kid we spent a lot of time in the basement in the summer and had a fireplace in the winter. No A/C. of course we did have a refrigerator and some gas heat in the winter. I suppose now there is no turning back. Those who survive the climate changes will live different lives we cannot now imagine.

 

[The Righterzpen]

It is all about energy. Isn't it. Whether for transportation, heating, cooling, conveniences. We run out A/C to cool down an din the process expand our carbon footprint. Vicious cycle. When I was a kid we spent a lot of time in the basement in the summer and had a fireplace in the winter. No A/C. of course we did have a refrigerator and some gas heat in the winter. I suppose now there is no turning back. Those who survive the climate changes will live different lives we cannot now imagine.

Well "climate change" is all relative. There are other factors in here that the media doesn't tell us; because they don't fit the narrative!

For example; solar flares affect the temperature on Earth. Back around 1000 AD; there was a (I think it was 2 to 3 degree increase in the temperature of the planet). It was so pronounced that there were vineyards in Northern Scotland. This temperature increase lasted about 250 years. When the temperature of the planet heats up; the oceans release CO2 which causes an explosion in plant life. More plant life means more animal life. Which of course more animals also means more humans; because there's an overall resource increase.

Now that "climate change" had nothing to do with human activity. 1000 AD was before the industrial revolution. And they know this happened because of ground soil core samples they extracted from the ground; as well as tree rings and other type evidence they had to examine.

There's a bunch of articles named here that you could go hunt up if you feel like it.

Medieval warm period (MWP) | Britannica

Medieval warm period (MWP), brief climatic interval that is hypothesized to have occurred from approximately 900 ce to 1300 (roughly coinciding with the Middle Ages in Europe), in which relatively warm conditions are said to have prevailed in various parts of the world, though predominantly in the

www.britannica.com

The cycles this planet goes through are not as cut and dry as they try to convince us they are.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Well "climate change" is all relative. There are other factors in here that the media doesn't tell us; because they don't fit the narrative!

For example; solar flares affect the temperature on Earth. Back around 1000 AD; there was a (I think it was 2 to 3 degree increase in the temperature of the planet). It was so pronounced that there were vineyards in Northern Scotland. This temperature increase lasted about 250 years. When the temperature of the planet heats up; the oceans release CO2 which causes an explosion in plant life. More plant life means more animal life. Which of course more animals also means more humans; because there's an overall resource increase.

Now that "climate change" had nothing to do with human activity. 1000 AD was before the industrial revolution. And they know this happened because of ground soil core samples they extracted from the ground; as well as tree rings and other type evidence they had to examine.

There's a bunch of articles named here that you could go hunt up if you feel like it.

Medieval warm period (MWP) | Britannica

Medieval warm period (MWP), brief climatic interval that is hypothesized to have occurred from approximately 900 ce to 1300 (roughly coinciding with the Middle Ages in Europe), in which relatively warm conditions are said to have prevailed in various parts of the world, though predominantly in the

www.britannica.com

The cycles this planet goes through are not as cut and dry as they try to convince us they are.

Have we had a recent solar flare to account for climate change?

The Sun can influence Earth's climate, but it isn't responsible for the warming trend we've seen over recent decades.

Is the Sun causing global warming? - NASA Science

No. The Sun can influence Earth’s climate, but it isn’t responsible for the warming trend we’ve seen over recent decades. The Sun is a giver of life; it helps

climate.nasa.gov

Top 50 solar flares | Solar activity

On this page you will find an overview of the strongest solar flares since June 1996 together with links to more information in our archive and a video (if available) of the event. This page is updated daily.

www.spaceweatherlive.com

 

[BobRyan]

The title is taken from scripture. It is a prophecy about God's coming acts. It is from Revelation 11:18. Is it a comment, however indirect or direct, about humanity bringing down the natural order of creation

No , it is about real people polluting the real Earth.

They will be punished for that - but the Earth survives.

15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying,

“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” 16 And the twenty-four elders, who sit on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying,

“We give You thanks, Lord God, the Almighty, the One who is and who was, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign. 18 And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”

19 And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder, and an earthquake, and a great hailstorm.

In the book of Revelation
1. "flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder" represents the voice of God speaking in judgment
2. The judgment of mankind beginning with the cases of the dead - starts at the point when the in the Temple in heaven the ministry of Christ as our High Priest moves from the Holy Place - the Most Holy Place, where the ark of His Covenant is.

 

[BobRyan]

Have we had a recent solar flare to account for climate change?

The Sun can influence Earth's climate, but it isn't responsible for the warming trend we've seen over recent decades.

Is the Sun causing global warming? - NASA Science

No. The Sun can influence Earth’s climate, but it isn’t responsible for the warming trend we’ve seen over recent decades. The Sun is a giver of life; it helps

climate.nasa.gov

Top 50 solar flares | Solar activity

On this page you will find an overview of the strongest solar flares since June 1996 together with links to more information in our archive and a video (if available) of the event. This page is updated daily.

www.spaceweatherlive.com

There used to be an "ice age" today we are not in an ice age - and it is not because of gas coming from cars or cows.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

No , it is about real people polluting the real Earth.

Given the content of the original post the post you wrote says both "no" and "yes" in one sentence.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Have we had a recent solar flare to account for climate change?

The Sun can influence Earth's climate, but it isn't responsible for the warming trend we've seen over recent decades.

Is the Sun causing global warming? - NASA Science

No. The Sun can influence Earth’s climate, but it isn’t responsible for the warming trend we’ve seen over recent decades. The Sun is a giver of life; it helps

climate.nasa.gov

Top 50 solar flares | Solar activity

On this page you will find an overview of the strongest solar flares since June 1996 together with links to more information in our archive and a video (if available) of the event. This page is updated daily.

www.spaceweatherlive.com

I don't know if there's been any (enough or large enough) solar flairs to impact climate in the past.... say 50 or so years? I know there have been some solar flairs.

But just like any other narrative; do we trust what NASA tells us? (I don't know the answer to that either; some people would say "no". I'd certainly say "no" on certain things. But again, scientific information is only as truthful as the scientist who collected it. There are actual facts that slip through the cracks in the narratives. And because that happens is where "conspiracy theories" are born.

We can assume it's a given though that no matter what it is; the government never tells us the whole truth. For example; it was actually an official statement by the military that an extraterrestrial space craft crashed in Roswell New Mexico in 1947. I believe it was the Air Force that reported that. Now, do you believe in UFO's? (I'm not sure if they are legit or not; although I wouldn't put it past God to put life on other planets; but that's another issue.)

Again though, narratives are relative! (So, I don't claim to know.)

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

There used to be an "ice age" today we are not in an ice age - and it is not because of gas coming from cars or cows.

"Why did the ice leave after such a long reign? The answer is complicated and routed in an understanding of how the Earth’s oceans, atmosphere and land surfaces interact both with each other and with forces far beyond the edge of the planet. It’s an answer that is helping to shape what we know about where the Earth is headed as we continue to pour carbon dioxide into the atmosphere."

"Long-term periodic cycles in the orientation and orbit of the Earth, known as Milankovitch cycles, change how much sunlight reaches the surface. From this initial “tiny” blip in the amount of incoming energy, amplification systems and feedback loops in Earth’s climate took over."

Here’s Why We’re Not Living in an Ice Age (And Why That Matters for the Future)

The same feedback systems that took us from ice age to modern warmth are still around

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

[BobRyan]

"Why did the ice leave after such a long reign? The answer is complicated and routed in an understanding of how the Earth’s oceans, atmosphere and land surfaces interact both with each other and with forces far beyond the edge of the planet. It’s an answer that is helping to shape what we know about where the Earth is headed as we continue to pour carbon dioxide into the atmosphere."

The ice age was caused by the Gen 7 global flood. At the flood the fountains of the deep were unleashed and the windows of heaven open - which included a lot of tectonic plate movement and a lotof blocked sunlight.

After the flood - A lot of ash, and greenhouse gasses in the air as well.

The Earth went headlong into its ice age.

So there has only been about 4500 years of time to "undo" the ice age effect.

What is more the plant life and the number of land animals were severely cut back at the flood -- so not a lot of cows out there warming up the climate - but a lot of geologic activity doing something of that sort

 

[BobRyan]

Given the content of the original post the post you wrote says both "no" and "yes" in one sentence.

It says "yes" people are polluting the real earth
It says "no" God is not going to just walk-off and leave people to destroy the earth by themselves, just as He did not do that at the flood.