God vs Satan

[2PhiloVoid]

Satan has always counterfeited God's creation even Humans.

Here are just a few examples of what God has made & Satan has counterfeited.

God - An unmovable earth
Satan- A movable earth.

God - All plants & trees.
Satan - Plastic Artificial types.

God - Silk, Cotton
Satan - Satin, Nylon

God - Gold
Satan - metal the look like gold

God - Diamonds
Satan - Zirconium

God - Meat
Satan - Lab Grown

Can you come up with anymore ?

So Apple Sky. What did you think when you took those science classes in school when you grew up as a teenager?

 

[Apple Sky]

That’s a misreading of the text due to the archaic language of the KJV. If we look at a more reliable translation, Isaiah 45:7 reads “I make peace, and bring troublesome things” (OSB) or “ I bring prosperity and create disaster” (NIV) or “I make well-being and create calamity.”

I'm only going by what I read in plain English & it doesn't seem to be misleading to me.

 

[Apple Sky]

So Apple Sky. What did you think when you took those science classes in school when you grew up as a teenager?

I believed every word until I saw the light.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I believed every word until I saw the light.

What does that light look like?

 

[The Liturgist]

I'm only going by what I read in plain English & it doesn't seem to be misleading to me.

Let’s suppose for a moment that reading is correct, which its not, by the way (the word in question means disaster or calamity and refers to God creating powerful forces to remove evil from His creation, for example, the Flood), if that were the case it would rather put paid your notion that all of these things you find evil and objectionable are the result of the devil.

The problem with your thesis in the OP is that your view of God and the devil is essentially dualist, like that of the Zoroastrian or Manichaen religions. As our friend @hislegacy wrote, you give the devil too much credit. The devil is incapable of creating the things you attribute to him.

 

[dzheremi]

Lord have mercy. There is a lot of mental and spiritual illness masquerading as exegesis on this website.

 

[Apple Sky]

Let’s suppose for a moment that reading is correct, which its not, by the way (the word in question means disaster or calamity and refers to God creating powerful forces to remove evil from His creation, for example, the Flood), if that were the case it would rather put paid your notion that all of these things you find evil and objectionable are the result of the devil.

The problem with your thesis in the OP is that your view of God and the devil is essentially dualist, like that of the Zoroastrian or Manichaen religions. As our friend @hislegacy wrote, you give the devil too much credit. The devil is incapable of creating the things you attribute to him.

So there's no war going on in heaven ?

 

[The Liturgist]

So there's no war going on in heaven ?

I’m not sure I should even engage with that question based on what my pious friend @dzheremi said.

 

[Apple Sky]

I’m not sure I should even engage with that question based on what my pious friend @dzheremi said.

Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels.… Rev 12:7

 

[BNR32FAN]

Satan has always counterfeited God's creation even Humans.

Here are just a few examples of what God has made & Satan has counterfeited.

God - An unmovable earth
Satan- A movable earth.

God - All plants & trees.
Satan - Plastic Artificial types.

God - Silk, Cotton
Satan - Satin, Nylon

God - Gold
Satan - metal the look like gold

God - Diamonds
Satan - Zirconium

God - Meat
Satan - Lab Grown

Can you come up with anymore ?

satan is the father of lies so repent.

 

[ViaCrucis]

But god made the earth never to be moved.

King James Bible
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. psalms 104:5

Well then we have one of three possible explanations.

1) Objective, factual, material reality is wrong.
2) The Bible is wrong.
3) You are wrong in your understanding of the Bible and the workings of the universe.

Which of those three explanations is most likely?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Paleouss]

Can you come up with anymore ?

Truth
Deception

Like the title of this thread, the deception is God vs Satan. The truth is, Satan wants to be god. Thus, he wars against God. However, for God there is no other. There is no challenge. There is no 'vs', no real threat, no real obstacle. When he choses, God conquers sin and death. When he so chooses, he chains those he wants and casts into the lake of fire. His great wisdom is patient and true. The day and time, only God knows...because...there is only God and none other.

As for your list of Satan's deceptions. God uses all things to work together for good to them that love God. Whether your suggested 'Satan' deceptions are of Satan or not (I think not) ... thank God that He uses satin and nylon to clothe those that have not silk or cotton. Thank God for processed foods (had a hard time writing this one ) for those that do not have meat or vegetables.

Thank God that He is Lord, just and true.

Seek God's truth as if it were hidden treasure.

 

[Apple Sky]

satan is the father of lies so repent.

I have no lies to repent about but just in case 'I repent'.

 

[Apple Sky]

Well then we have one of three possible explanations.

1) Objective, factual, material reality is wrong.
2) The Bible is wrong.
3) You are wrong in your understanding of the Bible and the workings of the universe.

Which of those three explanations is most likely?

-CryptoLutheran

Factual.........

 

[The Liturgist]

Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels.… Rev 12:7

Past tense. The devil was cast out. The devil cannot resist God’s omnipotence.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Factual.........

You believe that what God created is what's wrong? Am I understanding this response of yours correctly?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Always in His Presence]

But god made the earth never to be moved.

King James Bible
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. psalms 104:5

Removed: not moved as in motion.

the word in Hebrew is mot - means remove, retire; deviate from right course​

I'm only going by what I read in plain English & it doesn't seem to be misleading to me.

Your point is in error in my opinion.

 

[The Liturgist]

Removed: not moved as in motion.

the word in Hebrew is mot - means remove, retire; deviate from right course​

Your point is in error in my opinion.

And indeed the fact my friend @hislegacy and I are in total agreement on this should be compelling, given our history of ardent disagreements over everything of a theological nature (I quite like the political views of @hislegacy , however).

 

[Strong in Him]

I'm only going by what I read in plain English & it doesn't seem to be misleading to me.

The Bible says that God is love, 1 John 4:8.
The Bible says that God is light, there is no darkness in him at all, 1 John 1:5.
The Bible says that God does not delight in evil, 1 Corinthians 13:6.
The Bible says that God is perfect, Matthew 5:48.
All written in plain English, (even though the NT was written in Greek.)

Your understanding tells you that God - perfect light and perfect love - created the evil that he hates. How is that possible?

 

[ViaCrucis]

I have no lies to repent about but just in case 'I repent'.

That isn't how repentance works.

-CryptoLutheran