God used Evolution to create man

[PsychoSarah]

Claimed is different than actually providing the evidence.

I wish I could bring Jesus to you and show you the holes in his hands and his side and the things he could do, but I can't. That time has passed and we as Christians realize this.

There are however personal experiences by people filled with the spirit. There are also historical documents from those that witnessed these things. It's your choice what to accept.

Absolutely. But the bible is just too old and myth bound to count as such evidence.

I wish you could too, but I would never make such a ridiculous request.

People make stuff up and exaggerate. Frankly, we aren't a trustworthy species overall, especially considering our tendency to fool ourselves unconsciously. However, I did not choose to have my high level of skepticism, there are limits on what I can and can't accept that I have little conscious influence over. If I could choose to accept this, I would.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you have any idea how many people even in just the past 100 years claim to be divine/are claimed to be divine by other people?

I'll bet Jesus was asked that very same question in one of His six [rigged] trials.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I'll bet Jesus was asked that very same question in one of His six [rigged] trials.

Frankly, considering the time period, it would have been odd for him to get a trial, much less that many. Tons of people were crucified.

 

[Davian]

Claimed is different than actually providing the evidence.

I wish I could bring Jesus to you and show you the holes in his hands and his side and the things he could do, but I can't. That time has passed and we as Christians realize this.

You cannot provide evidence then.

There are however personal experiences by people filled with the spirit.

There are personal experiences by people abducted by extraterrestrial aliens that are large in number.

"The precise number of alleged abductees is uncertain. One of the earliest studies of abductions found 1,700 claimants, while contested surveys argued that 5–6 percent of the general population might have been abducted."

Alien abduction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are also historical documents from those that witnessed these things.

Do you have the names and addresses of those witnesses?

It's your choice what to accept.

Belief is not a conscious choice.

 

[AV1611VET]

Frankly, considering the time period, it would have been odd for him to get a trial, much less that many. Tons of people were crucified.

LOL ... wow.

As I said before: "every jot and tittle."

 

[PsychoSarah]

LOL ... wow.

As I said before: "every jot and tittle."

Crucifixion was an unfortunately common method of torture and execution. BTW, the shape of the cross most people associate with the crucifixion of Jesus is incorrect for the time period.

 

[justlookinla]

Belief is not a conscious choice.

I'm not surprised your beliefs are the result of mindless thoughts.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I'm not surprised your beliefs are the result of mindless thoughts.

The point was, you can't just consciously choose to believe something on a whim. Certain requirements have to be met, and they vary a bit from person to person.

 

[justlookinla]

The point was, you can't just consciously choose to believe something on a whim. Certain requirements have to be met, and they vary a bit from person to person.

Thought, evaluation, consideration....all are required to believe, or disbelieve, something. The choice is personal.

 

[Davian]

No, I do not recall saying that.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Thought, evaluation, consideration....all are required to believe, or disbelieve, something. The choice is personal.

No, I have been trying to get myself to believe for roughly 6 years now. I despise being an atheist, I willfully desire to believe in, at a bare minimum, a just afterlife enforced by a just being.

 

[DerelictJunction]

Claimed is different than actually providing the evidence.

I wish I could bring Jesus to you and show you the holes in his hands and his side and the things he could do, but I can't. That time has passed and we as Christians realize this.

There are however personal experiences by people filled with the spirit. There are also historical documents from those that witnessed these things. It's your choice what to accept.

All I need is for God to give you six words, not even near as grandiose as those manifestations claimed by those historical documents.
Six little one syllable words; they don't even have to be in order.

Maybe you could pray real hard and God will get you to type them right on this forum. I don't expect it though.

 

[DerelictJunction]

Thought, evaluation, consideration....all are required to believe, or disbelieve, something. The choice is personal.

I disagree.

I cannot choose to believe in something for which credible evidence has not been provided. Neither can you. You cannot believe that Allah is the one true God just because millions of others believe it or that Christians have converted to Islam of their own free will. You would need more evidence than that.

My requirement for credible evidence for the Christian God is different than yours.

Maybe you can pray real hard and come up with those six words.

 

[justlookinla]

No, I have been trying to get myself to believe for roughly 6 years now. I despise being an atheist, I willfully desire to believe in, at a bare minimum, a just afterlife enforced by a just being.

Haven't you taken the various alternatives, examined them, evaluated them, considered them and arrived at a conclusion, thoughtfully and consciously, after that process?

 

[justlookinla]

I disagree.

I cannot choose to believe in something for which credible evidence has not been provided.

You then choose to not believe in something. You've consciously rejected the view that God exists.

Neither can you. You cannot believe that Allah is the one true God just because millions of others believe it or that Christians have converted to Islam of their own free will. You would need more evidence than that.

I can reject the vieew that Allah is the one true God......and do.

My requirement for credible evidence for the Christian God is different than yours.

Maybe you can pray real hard and come up with those six words.

Belief, or disbelief, is entirely your decision.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Haven't you taken the various alternatives, examined them, evaluated them, considered them and arrived at a conclusion, thoughtfully and consciously, after that process?

I didn't exactly make a checklist. And consciously? Well, more like I became aware of my leanings refusing to budge or had a label for them than anything else.

 

[justlookinla]

No, I have been trying to get myself to believe for roughly 6 years now. I despise being an atheist, I willfully desire to believe in, at a bare minimum, a just afterlife enforced by a just being.

Honestly, I don't understand. You have taken the arguments for the existence of a 'God', evaluated them, considered them and then made a conscious decision to accept or reject the view, haven't you?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Honestly, I don't understand. You have taken the arguments for the existence of a 'God', evaluated them, considered them and then made a conscious decision to accept or reject the view, haven't you?

More like I seek arguments in support of the existence of deities, and find too many flaws in them for them to be enough to help me out. In case you haven't noticed, I never defend atheism itself in terms of trying to get people to go in that direction.

 

[AV1611VET]

More like I seek arguments in support of the existence of deities,

So you can trample them?

 

[justlookinla]

More like I seek arguments in support of the existence of deities, and find too many flaws in them for them to be enough to help me out. In case you haven't noticed, I never defend atheism itself in terms of trying to get people to go in that direction.

Right, you've consciously chosen to reject the view that a 'God' exists. That's not a mindless decision by you.