God used Evolution to create man

[EternalDragon]

Really, now?
So you can point us to the dude? Can we see him using telescopes?
In short, where is your evidence for this claim?

Matthew 1:1
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

 

[Delphiki]

Matthew 1:1
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Be honest. Do you really think that's evidence?

 

[EternalDragon]

Be honest. Do you really think that's evidence?

I am pointing you to the dude, like dogmahunter asked.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Matthew 1:1
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

So your evidence, is the source of the claim?

 

[DogmaHunter]

I am pointing you to the dude, like dogmahunter asked.

I asked you to point me to where your god is hiding in the universe, since that seems to be what you believe.
I didn't ask you to quote a bronze-age book.

 

[FredVB]

I wonder, is what I posted, in #750, just thought to not be of no significant consequence, for any to consider and have some response? Is it brought up so much so as to ignore? I don't know that it was, but the points I speak of are of great consequence to me and I would like knowing that the reasoning was seen, whether or not it is just dismissed.

 

[lasthero]

I wonder, is what I posted, in #750, just thought to not be of no significant consequence, for any to consider and have some response? Is it brought up so much so as to ignore? I don't know that it was, but the points I speak of are of great consequence to me and I would like knowing that the reasoning was seen, whether or not it is just dismissed.

Speaking for myself, I didn't respond to it because it was a giant mess of words that didn't seem to make a cogent point.

 

[EternalDragon]

I asked you to point me to where your god is hiding in the universe, since that seems to be what you believe.
I didn't ask you to quote a bronze-age book.

He isn't hiding. He's been trying to speak to you through his people.
Like he's been doing all along.

If you saw his true form, you would die. If you saw his human form
you would have seen Jesus. They killed him, he came back to life and
dwells with God at this time in a heavenly realm beyond ours.

 

[DerelictJunction]

You should hate evolution as it has gotten things backwards in their
incorrect assumptions. Man was created first.

I was making a joke.

Also, evolution does not state which gender of human was "human" first, so you cannot really say it has it "backwards" according to your book.

Further, "hating" evolution because I don't like what it says does not make it untrue any more than hating the fact that God has doomed most of mankind to eternal punishment for temporal crimes, makes the Bible untrue.

 

[DerelictJunction]

I am saying God is a living, thinking life form in our universe. That
does not make him supernatural nor magical. Maybe to you but not
to me.

Are you interpreting your book by adding to it or do you actually have scripture to back this up?

 

[DerelictJunction]

Matthew 1:1
The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

That is the Son...not the Father. Try again.

 

[DerelictJunction]

Does anybody ever bring up necessary existence, or talk about it, in these discussions? Not yet seeing it I can understand that some people would just avoid that. But no one has answers for anything being here, without that considered. There must be existence that is necessary existence, or nothing would exist, ever. We might not understand what such could be, but it is not the alternative, which is nothing and never anything other than nothing, total nonexistence, without existence of space, time, or anything. The alternative is yet staggering if it was never considered. Necessary existence, existence that exists because that existence must exist, cannot have any kind of limit to existence. Limits would be arbitrary but not involving what is essential existence. So everything that is true of this essential existence is unlimited in any way, infinite where that can be applied. This existence would just appropriately be called Creator, because this being would be the explanation of all else that was brought into existence. What else would be God but this? And what else could there be otherwise, but such necessary existence? There is nothing otherwise for anything to exist. In light of that what are we to make of such intelligence that we have that we can have the perspective that we perceive and consider enough of so many things that can be known as truth and know so much about our world and cosmos to consider we know explanations that are the truth about all of it?

Is this just a long winded "There is something instead of nothing....therefore God exists"?

 

[EternalDragon]

That is the Son...not the Father. Try again.

Your understanding is lacking. Try again.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I vote then that we throw out the idea of "cloning", since it is confusing you guys.

Science is getting in the way and preventing you from understanding.

What say you?

More like mixing religion and science together can result in incomprehensible nonsense if one is not careful

 

[AV1611VET]

More like mixing religion and science together can result in incomprehensible nonsense if one is not careful

No argument there.

Getting scientists to use proper terminology -- now there's a chore!

 

[PsychoSarah]

No argument there.

Getting scientists to use proper terminology -- now there's a chore!

You are not the one who gets to decide what is and isn't proper terminology.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are not the one who gets to decide what is and isn't proper terminology.

That's right.

So I let the terminology the Bible uses be the final say.

For example, I prefer "miracle" over the mind-blocking "magic".

 

[PsychoSarah]

That's right.

So I let the terminology the Bible uses be the final say.

For example, I prefer "miracle" over the mind-blocking "magic".

I view the miracle as an effect and magic as a cause, personally.

 

[DerelictJunction]

Your understanding is lacking. Try again.

The manifestation of God as the Son does not automatically make God a part of the universe. It only makes that manifestation of God a part of the universe.
Watch out that your interpretation doesn't add to the text of your book.

 

[EternalDragon]

The manifestation of God as the Son does not automatically make God a part of the universe. It only makes that manifestation of God a part of the universe.
Watch out that your interpretation doesn't add to the text of your book.

So God is from another universe? Be careful that using poor logic
doesn't bind you up.