God used Evolution to create man

[madaz]

There is nothing to verify common decent between a pine tree and a whale.

DNA is simply a building block of life.

Yes there is a method to verify common decent, it is exactly the same method used to verify the identity of biological parents and offspring, rapists and murderers.

 

[JacksBratt]

Sorry but this is unbiblical.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God...how shall they hear except they be sent. That means there are people who are going to give the gospel and get people saved.

As long as what they are saying is biblical, there is no issue. The bible is the authority.

 

[madaz]

Nope, not true.

Let me get this straight-

Are you now denying supernatural mechanisms?

 

[JacksBratt]

Agreed, but I live in hope that they will eventually recognise their denial is unsubstantiated.

So first you need amino acids, then you need these to arrange themselves in unbelievably complex, extremely long chains of DNA code to form extremely complex organisms, even at the tiniest level of life. Then you are still missing the cell wall, cytoplasm, mitochondria, nucleoli, Chromatin, endoplasmic reticulum, and the rest of the cell.

And you still don't have life........

 

[madaz]

Go preach your Godless creationist gospel somewhere else.

But I dont advocate godless creation, nor have I preached or made any claims, I merely suggested a method to verify the genetic relationships between organisms, something you seem to be stubbornly in denial over.

I dont know if god(s) exist or not and I dont know how the universe or life originated. So Im not going to make any claims on the matter.

 

[madaz]

So first you need amino acids, then you need these to arrange themselves in unbelievably complex, extremely long chains of DNA code to form extremely complex organisms, even at the tiniest level of life. Then you are still missing the cell wall, cytoplasm, mitochondria, nucleoli, Chromatin, endoplasmic reticulum, and the rest of the cell.

And you still don't have life........

I have no idea why you quoted me on this.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

Concerning creation, the most important thing is to accept the view that Jesus Christ is creator. Isn't it?

I'm currently taking a class titled Advanced Topics in Biological Research with Writing Option, and as the name implies, we have to write lengthy scientific research papers that are substantiated with credible scientific sources and evidence. If you were in this class and you decided you wanted to write a paper about some facet of biology that excluded evolution in deference to creationism, what scientific evidence would you use to corroborate it? The papers need to be about 30-40 pages in length, so if I just wrote, "concerning creation the most important thing is to accept the view that Jesus Christ is creator" I'd fail because I would have failed to complete the assignment. So once again, do you have any credible scientific evidence? What science classes did you take in high school and college, and were you able to just say, "because Jesus said so"? when asked to cite your academic sources?

And purely out of curiosity, what does your name mean?????

 

[Euler]

I don't have a copy of the picture, but I wish I did because this one hit close to home.

My buddy met a girl who's family immigrated from one of the Russian provinces, or whatever you call them. They came to the east coast of North America in the 70's, with another family. The two families operated a farm together. A tragic accident happened when a young boy of 6 was ran over by a farm vehicle and died. Time went by and the families went their separate ways. My buddies girlfriend's family moved to the Midwest states. About 6 or 7 years later they all got together for a reunion. During this time they took a group picture. When the picture was developed, the boy who had died showed up in the picture, with his favorite shirt on, smiling and appeared at the age he would have been if he had lived.

There are all kinds of proof out there of strange unexplainable occurrences. Maybe you will experience one firsthand as I did.

Proof?? I can think of several explanations for that phenomenon that don't involve fantasy or magic. I think your "experience" was exactly what you WANTED it to be.

 

[JacksBratt]

I have no idea why you quoted me on this.

Originally Posted by HitchSlap

Arguing DNA evidence and common descent with creationists is a fool's errand.
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Posted by Madaz...."Agreed, but I live in hope that they will eventually recognise their denial is unsubstantiated."

 

[JacksBratt]

Proof?? I can think of several explanations for that phenomenon that don't involve fantasy or magic. I think your "experience" was exactly what you WANTED it to be.

Can you give me some examples of your explanations? This was not a digital picture and was the original print.

I would really like to hear them.

 

[JayFern]

I don't have a copy of the picture, but I wish I did because this one hit close to home.

My buddy met a girl who's family immigrated from one of the Russian provinces, or whatever you call them. They came to the east coast of North America in the 70's, with another family. The two families operated a farm together. A tragic accident happened when a young boy of 6 was ran over by a farm vehicle and died. Time went by and the families went their separate ways. My buddies girlfriend's family moved to the Midwest states. About 6 or 7 years later they all got together for a reunion. During this time they took a group picture. When the picture was developed, the boy who had died showed up in the picture, with his favorite shirt on, smiling and appeared at the age he would have been if he had lived.

There are all kinds of proof out there of strange unexplainable occurrences. Maybe you will experience one firsthand as I did.

How do you know it had anything to do with the Christian God? or are you just guessing it was?

 

[madaz]

How do you know it had anything to do with the Christian God? or are you just guessing it was?

I don't think he is citing his god, he is citing the paranormal.

 

[DogmaHunter]

So first you need amino acids, then you need these to arrange themselves in unbelievably complex, extremely long chains of DNA code

You skipped *a few* steps between amino acids and DNA.

The way abiogenesis research is going these days, DNA actually took quite some time to surface. Amino acids didn't spontanously come together to form DNA.

If you are really interested (I'm guessing you aren't) you could look up the wikipedia page about "RNA world" and read about it. It's actually quite interesting.

But I'll go ahead and assume that you aren't interested. In fact, I'll go ahead and assume that you don't WANT to know either. Willfull ignorance is your game. As long as you feel like you have ammunition against a theory or hypothesis that is at odds with your a priori faith based beliefs.... that's all that really matters to you, isn't it?

Prove me wrong by informing yourself. It's a straight up challenge. And I hope, for your sake, that I lose the challenge.

to form extremely complex organisms, even at the tiniest level of life. Then you are still missing the cell wall, cytoplasm, mitochondria, nucleoli, Chromatin, endoplasmic reticulum, and the rest of the cell.

In the scientific world, it took some 2 billion years to develop all those parts.

And you still don't have life........

That entirely depends on what you define "life" to be.

 

[madaz]

This was not a digital picture and was the original print.

Excuse my skeptism, but I don't think its a digital picture, nor an original print, it's just an anonymous guy on the internet talking about one.

 

[JacksBratt]

How do you know it had anything to do with the Christian God? or are you just guessing it was?

I didn't say it had anything to do with a Christian God. I said it is leaning toward other dimensions, ghosts and unexplainable occurrences.

 

[bhsmte]

I didn't say it had anything to do with a Christian God. I said it is leaning toward other dimensions, ghosts and unexplainable occurrences.

What other dimensions?

What ghosts?

 

[JacksBratt]

You skipped *a few* steps between amino acids and DNA.

The way abiogenesis research is going these days, DNA actually took quite some time to surface. Amino acids didn't spontanously come together to form DNA.

If you are really interested (I'm guessing you aren't) you could look up the wikipedia page about "RNA world" and read about it. It's actually quite interesting.

But I'll go ahead and assume that you aren't interested. In fact, I'll go ahead and assume that you don't WANT to know either. Willfull ignorance is your game. As long as you feel like you have ammunition against a theory or hypothesis that is at odds with your a priori faith based beliefs.... that's all that really matters to you, isn't it?

Prove me wrong by informing yourself. It's a straight up challenge. And I hope, for your sake, that I lose the challenge.

The more steps needed just compounds the odds against this complex, intricate, code of huge amounts of information ever coming together without some outside, intelligent, influence.

In the scientific world, it took some 2 billion years to develop all those parts.

How did all these parts develop,over billions of years, and then, all be ready and have specific functions,ready to go, all synchronized ready for life?

That entirely depends on what you define "life" to be.

Oh, now were down to this. When I say life, I mean a living cell that functions, divides, takes on nutrients and continues to do so. When the life leaves, the cell decays.

 

[JacksBratt]

What other dimensions?

What ghosts?

Are you just trolling me here? Just google paranormal. There is obviously something beyond our senses and areas of perception and consciousness.

 

[bhsmte]

Are you just trolling me here? Just google paranormal. There is obviously something beyond our senses and areas of perception and consciousness.

Obviously?

 

[DerelictJunction]

Are you just trolling me here? Just google paranormal. There is obviously something beyond our senses and areas of perception and consciousness.

You're the one that claims there are ghosts and supernatural phenomenon. If there is substantive evidence of such, you really don't expect us to present it for you, do you?

Your claim...you present the evidence.