Hey im new here. anyways have a read of this and leave some comments. No need to throw bible verses at me. i know the bible very well its just some thoughts
#1 - 15th March 2004
Does God Need To Be 100% Loving? God The Evolutionist. -
1.0 - The way that Christians have viewed God for thousands of years is that of a perfect, totally loving being that created us in 7 days and allowed us to have free will to either follow him and try live a life free from sin or follow the path of evil and do as we please. It is because of this free will we have we assume that God is loving, as we can say he loved us enough to create us and then gave us free will to follow him or not. Let me put forward an idea. Lets say in “theory” that we do know that God exists and he did create the earth and everything on it but lets do away with the very ancient idea of good (God) and bad (Satan). We will also do away with the Genesis, 7 day creation idea and to make things even more interesting lets bring in the Theory of Evolution. I will state now that my knowledge of evolution and its theory is very limited although this paper is more to do about God than evolution. For this paper when I refer to God in passing I will use the word “he”. I believe using today’s science we can still make a case for God. So allow me to put forward my thoughts about the topic “Does God need To Be 100% Loving”? God The Evolutionist.
1.1 - What is it about believing in God that means we assume that he is a loving being that wants only the best for us? When God created the world who is to say that at first he had humans in mind? Like when a great artist gets halfway through their work and has idea to add to it to make it better because they feel it’s needed to complete the work to its full potential. Does the artist when finished not always sit there and over the years ponder what could have been done different in the work? Although not feeling the work was a let down “because they may be 100% happy with it” but as a creator just curious about how different the piece would have been if done a little different in places. Do we not assume that God “the greatest artist of all” may have also felt this way? Its not plausible to believe that God had/has a finalized plan that he works to and that at the same time gives free will to the living creations he put on his earth. This is just not smart thinking. Wouldn’t it be smarter to assume that the world and the living beings on it all change and adapt as they need to? Getting back to “were humans always in the plan” we can look at how science has show us that the world is very old and that things change constantly. Why is it so hard for people to grasp that God created the world millions of years ago in a certain way and left the world with free will to change as it wants/needs over time. This “free will” that I talk of I don’t exclusively use towards humans and the way we think and do. I look at it more as a way that everything can think and do, as it wants. Even say a plant can, and if evolving poison to stop certain bugs eating its leafs then this is free will of nature and in this case it shows “free will” to be more a law of nature that God handed down when he created the earth. We may have evolved as scientists believe may have happened and to me I don’t see how this rules out God as I have explained. The question in this case is what made humans different from other animals. But this isn’t the purpose of this paper. We also from a religious point of view can look at it as that God chooses to interact with humans in this world he created. This could lead to believe that as the earth was evolving he decided to put humans into the mix as his special intelligent creation and then we could look at the Garden Of Eden as a true story that happened as Genesis says and that religion started from there. God didn’t need religion. He is all-powerful but maybe we could assume that its something our bodies crave and that trying to get close to our creator is a seed planted in our makeup. Hence Religion, and its what makes us different from animals. If we did evolve from an ape like creature as it these days is suggested we now must look at what made us intelligent, what moment in time did we just click. This is such a wide spread theory answered question that it could take 1000 pages to talk about. So let me put forward two theories that allows for evolution of the earth as science suggests and natural selection. Lets put forward that God created the earth and put the earth in a state that it would evolve and over many, many millions of years, massive changes happened. Mountains formed continents formed plants and animals came and went exactly as science teaches today. God sat there and watched his creation unfold before him in a grand epic scale. Then an ape like creature with advanced emotion came into the fold and God noticed this and at a time when he thought suited inserted a soul into them allowing them to truly stand out from all that lived on earth. Theory 2. Also we could say that all living creatures have a soul and it is very small, so small that it doesn’t really spawn anything too epic but it’s a mark that touches all living things that shows it’s a creation God, As our intelligence grew so did our soul and it became what it is now. The first theory leads me back to the artist that changed something half way through to make it better and more complete. Maybe during the evolution of the earth God felt the earth was lacking and needed something. The second theory allows for God to still sit back and let nature take its course. The two theories differ on how much we believe God interacts in this earth. I will let you decided what you think about these theory’s.
1.2 - All this changing and “free will” now gets me to the main point of this paper. Does God Need To Be 100% Loving? We have talked about some reasons as to how we got here witch I feel compliment today’s scientific view of the earth and its inhabitants and also allow us to have a creator. When we look at the Big Bang theory it really doest make anymore sense than an all powerful being or “God” creating everything and even as science it doesn’t hold up any better. So we can assume that God does exist exactly as much as he doesn’t. Lets talk about God and how he feels towards his creation and a bit about his personality going by what we have seen and what we now see on earth and even in the universe. To say that the earth is relatively new and was built for humans to live on doest really make God seem very loving in the sense that people say he loves us so much that he gave free will. If this planet was entirely made for humans and God decided to give us free will then God would have know the chaos that was going to happen between humans and in the way we treat each other and creatures in our environment we live in. Even a mere human can see that if you put a group of people together some people wont like each other and then problems will arise. So the all powerful, loving God would have well and truly know this. So looking at it, it wasn’t very loving creating this playground for humans and letting us run wild and into dispute with hate and anger. This isn’t true free will. Its just creating tension. This kind of free will isn’t fair for a loving God. Is it fair that through this loving Gods free will such atrocities have accrued like what Hitler achieved during WW2. Why can so many innocent people die because of one person’s free will? Fair? I don’t think so, and it doesn’t make a lot of sense either. Now lets look at it from my idea from before and that God allowed the earth to evolve, as we today believe it did. To me this makes bad things happening to people more fair because it’s not like this world was solely created for us. We are just a creation trying to get along with life as much and anything else on this planet. This also still gives God the option to interact with humans as he likes and when ever he likes. This I feel shows a more realistic creator that watches from above and a lot more fair God. Why does God only choose to interact with some people and not other? This we don’t know but it still shows a God that does care and does make things better as he chooses. Rather than the God that made a playground of chaos. This then is where the Does God Need To Be 100% Loving comes in. Speaking as I have in this paper it has shown a God that created, and because of the evolution being brought up really disallows a Satan that creates evil. It simply shows a God that created all that exists and gave free will, and this “free will” is more a law of nature than a “I do what I want when I want” attitude. It’s just that humans were able to evolve to make free will more for them self, but the “law” is still there. Still bad things do happen and as I have said God chooses when to get involved and this shows that God really does feel for his creation and care for it. I think this is enough. “100% loving” I don’t think you can really apply to God. God does as God wants and in giving the earth free will it’s a gesture of total love towards his creation. But it doesn’t in anyway show God as a being as 100% loving. Even the worlds great holy scriptures show God as a judging God who becomes angry at people who abuse there free will to a point that they harm others and in cases even them self. In the bible God has killed people and his eye for an eye attitude doesn’t show 100% love. But that doesn’t take away what I said before about letting us do as we want in an evolving world, and that is the greatest gift we have been given.
1.3 - In closing in will sum up with a brief outline of what has be said.
The earth is and has evolved as science today has show.
This doesn’t take away or make false the idea of God or a creator.
Evolution is a more fair way of having an earth that allows humans to have free will.
God chooses to interact with his creation as he wants, just as an artist would in his own personal work.
And
God may not be 100% loving but has shown us that he is fair.
The word fair has come up twice in my closing points and I believe this sums up God in one word if we look at the world and all on it from the points I have brought up. This surely is enough to still love God and be thankful and amazed at his creation as much, if not even more than before.
#1 - 15th March 2004
Does God Need To Be 100% Loving? God The Evolutionist. -
1.0 - The way that Christians have viewed God for thousands of years is that of a perfect, totally loving being that created us in 7 days and allowed us to have free will to either follow him and try live a life free from sin or follow the path of evil and do as we please. It is because of this free will we have we assume that God is loving, as we can say he loved us enough to create us and then gave us free will to follow him or not. Let me put forward an idea. Lets say in “theory” that we do know that God exists and he did create the earth and everything on it but lets do away with the very ancient idea of good (God) and bad (Satan). We will also do away with the Genesis, 7 day creation idea and to make things even more interesting lets bring in the Theory of Evolution. I will state now that my knowledge of evolution and its theory is very limited although this paper is more to do about God than evolution. For this paper when I refer to God in passing I will use the word “he”. I believe using today’s science we can still make a case for God. So allow me to put forward my thoughts about the topic “Does God need To Be 100% Loving”? God The Evolutionist.
1.1 - What is it about believing in God that means we assume that he is a loving being that wants only the best for us? When God created the world who is to say that at first he had humans in mind? Like when a great artist gets halfway through their work and has idea to add to it to make it better because they feel it’s needed to complete the work to its full potential. Does the artist when finished not always sit there and over the years ponder what could have been done different in the work? Although not feeling the work was a let down “because they may be 100% happy with it” but as a creator just curious about how different the piece would have been if done a little different in places. Do we not assume that God “the greatest artist of all” may have also felt this way? Its not plausible to believe that God had/has a finalized plan that he works to and that at the same time gives free will to the living creations he put on his earth. This is just not smart thinking. Wouldn’t it be smarter to assume that the world and the living beings on it all change and adapt as they need to? Getting back to “were humans always in the plan” we can look at how science has show us that the world is very old and that things change constantly. Why is it so hard for people to grasp that God created the world millions of years ago in a certain way and left the world with free will to change as it wants/needs over time. This “free will” that I talk of I don’t exclusively use towards humans and the way we think and do. I look at it more as a way that everything can think and do, as it wants. Even say a plant can, and if evolving poison to stop certain bugs eating its leafs then this is free will of nature and in this case it shows “free will” to be more a law of nature that God handed down when he created the earth. We may have evolved as scientists believe may have happened and to me I don’t see how this rules out God as I have explained. The question in this case is what made humans different from other animals. But this isn’t the purpose of this paper. We also from a religious point of view can look at it as that God chooses to interact with humans in this world he created. This could lead to believe that as the earth was evolving he decided to put humans into the mix as his special intelligent creation and then we could look at the Garden Of Eden as a true story that happened as Genesis says and that religion started from there. God didn’t need religion. He is all-powerful but maybe we could assume that its something our bodies crave and that trying to get close to our creator is a seed planted in our makeup. Hence Religion, and its what makes us different from animals. If we did evolve from an ape like creature as it these days is suggested we now must look at what made us intelligent, what moment in time did we just click. This is such a wide spread theory answered question that it could take 1000 pages to talk about. So let me put forward two theories that allows for evolution of the earth as science suggests and natural selection. Lets put forward that God created the earth and put the earth in a state that it would evolve and over many, many millions of years, massive changes happened. Mountains formed continents formed plants and animals came and went exactly as science teaches today. God sat there and watched his creation unfold before him in a grand epic scale. Then an ape like creature with advanced emotion came into the fold and God noticed this and at a time when he thought suited inserted a soul into them allowing them to truly stand out from all that lived on earth. Theory 2. Also we could say that all living creatures have a soul and it is very small, so small that it doesn’t really spawn anything too epic but it’s a mark that touches all living things that shows it’s a creation God, As our intelligence grew so did our soul and it became what it is now. The first theory leads me back to the artist that changed something half way through to make it better and more complete. Maybe during the evolution of the earth God felt the earth was lacking and needed something. The second theory allows for God to still sit back and let nature take its course. The two theories differ on how much we believe God interacts in this earth. I will let you decided what you think about these theory’s.
1.2 - All this changing and “free will” now gets me to the main point of this paper. Does God Need To Be 100% Loving? We have talked about some reasons as to how we got here witch I feel compliment today’s scientific view of the earth and its inhabitants and also allow us to have a creator. When we look at the Big Bang theory it really doest make anymore sense than an all powerful being or “God” creating everything and even as science it doesn’t hold up any better. So we can assume that God does exist exactly as much as he doesn’t. Lets talk about God and how he feels towards his creation and a bit about his personality going by what we have seen and what we now see on earth and even in the universe. To say that the earth is relatively new and was built for humans to live on doest really make God seem very loving in the sense that people say he loves us so much that he gave free will. If this planet was entirely made for humans and God decided to give us free will then God would have know the chaos that was going to happen between humans and in the way we treat each other and creatures in our environment we live in. Even a mere human can see that if you put a group of people together some people wont like each other and then problems will arise. So the all powerful, loving God would have well and truly know this. So looking at it, it wasn’t very loving creating this playground for humans and letting us run wild and into dispute with hate and anger. This isn’t true free will. Its just creating tension. This kind of free will isn’t fair for a loving God. Is it fair that through this loving Gods free will such atrocities have accrued like what Hitler achieved during WW2. Why can so many innocent people die because of one person’s free will? Fair? I don’t think so, and it doesn’t make a lot of sense either. Now lets look at it from my idea from before and that God allowed the earth to evolve, as we today believe it did. To me this makes bad things happening to people more fair because it’s not like this world was solely created for us. We are just a creation trying to get along with life as much and anything else on this planet. This also still gives God the option to interact with humans as he likes and when ever he likes. This I feel shows a more realistic creator that watches from above and a lot more fair God. Why does God only choose to interact with some people and not other? This we don’t know but it still shows a God that does care and does make things better as he chooses. Rather than the God that made a playground of chaos. This then is where the Does God Need To Be 100% Loving comes in. Speaking as I have in this paper it has shown a God that created, and because of the evolution being brought up really disallows a Satan that creates evil. It simply shows a God that created all that exists and gave free will, and this “free will” is more a law of nature than a “I do what I want when I want” attitude. It’s just that humans were able to evolve to make free will more for them self, but the “law” is still there. Still bad things do happen and as I have said God chooses when to get involved and this shows that God really does feel for his creation and care for it. I think this is enough. “100% loving” I don’t think you can really apply to God. God does as God wants and in giving the earth free will it’s a gesture of total love towards his creation. But it doesn’t in anyway show God as a being as 100% loving. Even the worlds great holy scriptures show God as a judging God who becomes angry at people who abuse there free will to a point that they harm others and in cases even them self. In the bible God has killed people and his eye for an eye attitude doesn’t show 100% love. But that doesn’t take away what I said before about letting us do as we want in an evolving world, and that is the greatest gift we have been given.
1.3 - In closing in will sum up with a brief outline of what has be said.
The earth is and has evolved as science today has show.
This doesn’t take away or make false the idea of God or a creator.
Evolution is a more fair way of having an earth that allows humans to have free will.
God chooses to interact with his creation as he wants, just as an artist would in his own personal work.
And
God may not be 100% loving but has shown us that he is fair.
The word fair has come up twice in my closing points and I believe this sums up God in one word if we look at the world and all on it from the points I have brought up. This surely is enough to still love God and be thankful and amazed at his creation as much, if not even more than before.
