God Says Scripture Is Not Of Any Private Interpretation!!

[CabVet]

What's with people resurrecting old threads today?

 

[dad]

..the day science can tell me what energy is, is the day I'll be able to explain God to you. .

No. Energy is a temporal state cannot be the sum and total of what God is. I heard one preacher put it like this.. (Adrian Rogers) - You cannot pour 2 jugs of water into one jug. Our capacity and brain is like the one jug. God just can't fit into it. If God is worth worshiping, He must be bigger than our capacity to understand.

 

[Strathos]

No. Energy is a temporal state cannot be the sum and total of what God is. I heard one preacher put it like this.. (Adrian Rogers) - You cannot pour 2 jugs of water into one jug. Our capacity and brain is like the one jug. God just can't fit into it. If God is worth worshiping, He must be bigger than our capacity to understand.

A rare post from you that I would agree with!

However this also means that the Bible, which is full of God's wisdom, still can't explain everything about God, as He is too grand to be reduced to words in a book. What we read about Him in the Bible is just the palest shadow of His true nature, interpreted through flawed human beings. So you understand why I don't take every word and story in it to be interpreted absolutely literally.

 

[dad]

A rare post from you that I would agree with!

However this also means that the Bible, which is full of God's wisdom, still can't explain everything about God, as He is too grand to be reduced to words in a book.

Can't argue with that. But we can learn enough to have His salvation. Eternity leaves a long time to learn more.

What we read about Him in the Bible is just the palest shadow of His true nature, interpreted through flawed human beings. So you understand why I don't take every word and story in it to be interpreted absolutely literally.

I think that there is also more truth hidden in the bible that we won't understand till the other side. It will be here after heaven and earth is no more. The thing is part of His nature is truth. So when we get told of a creation and first man, and flood, which Jesus confirmed, one should be careful about tossing it all out, just because the current limited wisdom of man cannot understand how it could be true.

 

[Strathos]

Can't argue with that. But we can learn enough to have His salvation. Eternity leaves a long time to learn more.

True.

I think that there is also more truth hidden in the bible that we won't understand till the other side. It will be here after heaven and earth is no more. The thing is part of His nature is truth. So when we get told of a creation and first man, and flood, which Jesus confirmed, one should be careful about tossing it all out, just because the current limited wisdom of man cannot understand how it could be true.

Of course I understand your perspective, and I don't just "toss it all out" (I believe God is the ultimate creator of everything, and the original Hebrew Scriptures seem to support a local flood), but I also believe the Bible was not intended to teach us science, as that is something we could discover for ourselves (Jesus didn't lecture his disciples about relativity and atomic theory, because it wasn't considered important for them to know that, instead He taught spiritual matters and how to achieve salvation).

To me, the discoveries in biology and cosmology that show how grand life and the universe are simply testify more to God's glory, power, and wisdom for having created it all.

 

[dad]

True.



Of course I understand your perspective, and I don't just "toss it all out" (I believe God is the ultimate creator of everything, and the original Hebrew Scriptures seem to support a local flood),

A local flood that killed all on earth?

but I also believe the Bible was not intended to teach us science, as that is something we could discover for ourselves (Jesus didn't lecture his disciples about relativity and atomic theory, because it wasn't considered important for them to know that, instead He taught spiritual matters and how to achieve salvation).

True science includes the spiritual! Only the temporal state physical only science of man omits it.

To me, the discoveries in biology and cosmology that show how grand life and the universe are simply testify more to God's glory, power, and wisdom for having created it all.

That depends on what one calls a discovery. If it is just how life works, therefore creation...fine. I would suggest you try to put God over man.

 

[Strathos]

It would have killed everything Noah and his family knew, which was the culture referred to.

Also the entire "past state" thing seems more like an ad hoc explanation you invented that isn't supported by Scripture (you could probably find some verses to try to support it but then again verses can be interpreted to support abiogenesis and the Big Bang if you try).

I obviously put God over man, but the thing is that the Bible was written by men, not by God (although they had inspiration from God). Obviously many parts of it were meant to be poetic/allegorical, such as this:

Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

This verse can (and has) been used to support a geocentric solar system, which we know is not true. So does that mean the verse is wrong? No, people just were not interpreting it correctly.

 

[dad]

It would have killed everything Noah and his family knew, which was the culture referred to.

No. The bible says nothing about anyone Noah knew. Talk about a lame duck.

Also the entire "past state" thing seems more like an ad hoc explanation you invented that isn't supported by Scripture (you could probably find some verses to try to support it but then again verses can be interpreted to support abiogenesis and the Big Bang if you try).

Try explaining Genesis some other way!!!! No big bang or creation by fluke can be supported by the bible at all. In the beginning God created the heaven and earth.

I obviously put God over man, but the thing is that the Bible was written by men, not by God (although they had inspiration from God).

All scripture was given by inspiration from God. The men are incidental.

Obviously many parts of it were meant to be poetic/allegorical, such as this:

The sun does go across the sky of man, and the heat is felt actually.

This verse can (and has) been used to support a geocentric solar system, which we know is not true. So does that mean the verse is wrong? No, people just were not interpreting it correctly.

Forget picking out verses and sticking wacky interpretations on them. Now since the bridegroom is Jesus, I would think HIS going forths might be considered.

 

[Strathos]

The message was delivered to Noah in reference to Noah and his world. Question, where would you personally put the date of the flood?

Try explaining Genesis some other way!!!! No big bang or creation by fluke can be supported by the bible at all. In the beginning God created the heaven and earth.

I'm not supporting any "fluke" at all. God created the universe and everything that happens is part of His plan, including the formation of the earth, the development of life, and the existence of human beings. None of it would have happened without God.

All scripture was given by inspiration from God. The men are incidental.

Not really, the writing style of Ezekiel, for example, is much different from the style of Luke. To confirm this you can just read their respective books. Each of the authors of the Bible has injected some of their own opinions and personalities into it.

The sun does go across the sky of man, and the heat is felt actually.

The sun only appears to move across the sky, when in reality it is the earth rotating on its axis and orbiting the sun. That passage was meant to be poetic in nature.

Forget picking out verses and sticking wacky interpretations on them. Now since the bridegroom is Jesus, I would think HIS going forths might be considered.

That's yet another interpretation! My point exactly. Only God knows the true meaning of every word in the Bible. There's a reason people have been studying it for thousands of years and still can't agree on many points.

 

[dad]

The message was delivered to Noah in reference to Noah and his world. Question, where would you personally put the date of the flood?

No. Jesus had the same message, and others. The world that was was not Noah's neighborhood, that is utterly preposterous and does not fit.

I'm not supporting any "fluke" at all. God created the universe and everything that happens is part of His plan, including the formation of the earth, the development of life, and the existence of human beings. None of it would have happened without God.

Now for the 64 dollar question....did He do it like He said in His word, in creation week, and making man from dirt and woman from a rib, etc etc etc? Yes or no. Let's separate the men from the boys here.

Not really, the writing style of Ezekiel, for example, is much different from the style of Luke. To confirm this you can just read their respective books. Each of the authors of the Bible has injected some of their own opinions and personalities into it.

Yet Eze and Luke were both in the spirit of God. No one says they need to be joined at the hip.

The sun only appears to move across the sky, when in reality it is the earth rotating on its axis and orbiting the sun. That passage was meant to be poetic in nature.

The Bridegroom will and does move across the universe. The sun we know is going out soon. Get saved or get a candle.

That's yet another interpretation! My point exactly. Only God knows the true meaning of every word in the Bible. There's a reason people have been studying it for thousands of years and still can't agree on many points.

Much is agreed on. Jesus coming back to stand on the mount of Olives for example...that the temple was destroyed as Jesus said...etc etc etc.

 

[CabVet]

No. The bible says nothing about anyone Noah knew. Talk about a lame duck.

And it says something about the laws of physics? Yeah, right.

 

[dad]

And it says something about the laws of physics? Yeah, right.

It says the water came from the heavens. You think present physics accommodates this??? You know what would happen if a world of water fell from space real fast?

 

[Mark Donatelli]

You haven't answered my question from that thread. When you read John, how do you interpret Word? What idea is John conveying? Why is he conveying it using Word?

Word but a ghost without form or material substance is yet spirit of the word unseen unheard holy ghost the LLORD of hosts third person of the trinity and is consistent to the duality primary binary and is with next to the alpha integer set zero and first of order beta and is eternal fundamental for without it no word of exsistance and the secondary binary duality integer ring would not exsist the alpha and Omega integer ring first and last of the eternal chain loop together self exsistant the duality binary to set are the trinity singularity and the crown of the word made flesh of the abelian ring theory group binary ring link how fitting for the word the trinity of his soul name centered of his brow alpha first is now set integer zero like a neutron in the house the body was prepared the father son and Holy Ghost invisible unheard the great unknown God is revealed and is become both God creator friend and brother father kinsman REDEAMER Lord and savior member prepared for the slaughter sacrificial lamb without spot or blemish selfless love taste of death SINLESS Rightious blood could suffice forgive cleans covered by the blood life is in the blood the way the truth and the life only life can cover death SINLESS death it's sting had no venom death has no hold

 

[AV1611VET]

The Bible did not come about by man's words. The Bible is inspired by God.

Amen to that!

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Here are some of those effectual works:

1. Martyrs.
2. Churches and other edifices, including Christian schools.
3. Iconography & statuary, including symbols, drawings, and artwork.
4. The Bible and other books written about our LORD, including tracts.
5. Songs, hymns and carols venerating Jesus Christ.
6. Holidays such as Christmas and Easter.
7. Debates, programs, cartoons, and specials on TV.
8. Time divided into BC/AD.
9. Mottos such as IN GOD WE TRUST, and ONE NATION UNDER GOD, and ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, and ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR.

 

[AV1611VET]

the question is: what god is really saying when everyone has it´s own interpretation?

That comes with Bible maturity.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[pitabread]

What's with people resurrecting old threads today?

Look how prophetic this post was.

 

[AV1611VET]

Genesis/most of the Bible isn't a prophecy.

But they contain prophecies.

Genesis, for example, contains a prophecy about the coming of Jesus Christ, and is called the Protevangelium.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

For any book in the Bible that doesn't contain a prophecy ... well ... guilt by association.

 

[Colter]

The kind of men who wrote the Old Testament are the kind of men who rejected the original gospel, put Jesus through a trumped up trial, tried to kill him for good and are still waiting for their version of a Jewish Messiah. Their father was the devil and they did his works.

 

[AV1611VET]

The kind of men who wrote the Old Testament are the kind of men who rejected the original gospel, put Jesus through a trumped up trial, tried to kill him for good and are still waiting for their version of a Jewish Messiah. Their father was the devil and they did his works.

So who was Job talking about when he said ...

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

 

[Subduction Zone]

That comes with Bible maturity.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

They problem with this attitude is that many make totally different interpretations than others do, and yet they all scream and yell that their one version is the correct one. And some of them almost sound insane. How does one prove his version to be the correct one?