God pre-destined us to fall

[Super14LDS]

Anyone believe otherwise?

 

[Hieronymus]

Hmmm...
I think i agree with a Mormon on this one..

 

[St_Worm2]

Anyone believe otherwise?

I believe otherwise.

I do too ..

edit: God "ordained" the Fall, but He didn't coerce our progenitors into disregarding the one commandment He personally gave to them to keep (Genesis 2:16-17), and He didn't cause Satan to tempt them. They all chose to do that of their own volition.

Rather, God created us in His own [perfect] image (Genesis 1:27). IOW, He made us "upright" .. but we, in the now tarnished/fallen image of our first parents, have all sought out many evil devices (Ecclesiastes 7:29).

 

[Super14LDS]

1 Corinthians 2:7, 1 Peter 1:20 & 2 Timothy 1:9 are some.

Plz post some too.

I believe otherwise.
Can you put up bible quotes to support your belief plz?

 

[Winken]

Anyone believe otherwise?

Us??

 

[St_Worm2]

Us??

 

[Super14LDS]

Us??

All are welcome to post scriptures.

I don't know who orchestrates these things or if I'll be vanquished to never-never land.

 

[St_Worm2]

1 Corinthians 2:7, 1 Peter 1:20 & 2 Timothy 1:9 are some.

Those verses concern predestination, but they don't teach us that God "caused" Adam to sin.

Got something else?

 

[vinsight4u]

All names start out in the book of life. Later, some
will find that their name was blotted out.

 

[vinsight4u]

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I believe Paul wrote truth, and so did the others know it.
The words line up with other Scripture verses.

 

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[toLiJC]

God pre-destined us to fall

it depends on what is meant by "God", because the biblical word "God" indicates:

- the true God, Whose nature is absolutely good and not a bit evil

- the divine as a whole, i.e. the true Lord God and the "darkness" viewed and presented as a mechanism of interaction between them and its impact on humans

so it is not possible that the true God predestine(d) us to fall, but it could be said that humans were predestined by "God" in the second sense of the word described above and used in such biblical verses/passages as Romans 1:24-31

Blessings

 

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[Four Angels Standing]

Hmmm...
I think i agree with a Mormon on this one..

That makes two.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

it depends on what is meant by "God", because the biblical word "God" indicates:

- the true God, Whose nature is absolutely good and not a bit evil

- the divine as a whole, i.e. the true Lord God and the "darkness" viewed and presented as a mechanism of interaction between them and its impact on humans

so it is not possible that the true God predestine(d) us to fall, but it could be said that humans were predestined by "God" in the second sense of the word described above and used in such biblical verses/passages as Romans 1:24-31

Blessings

I'll add this since God definitions have entered into the discussion.

God

 

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