God not needed in Earth Formation

[ChordatesLegacy]

Fundies who deal with Creation vis-a-vis star formation, would have no reason to study and learn about our sun's "formation".

Firstly; fundies do not learn; they accept Bronze Age parodies, passed down through Israelite generations, orally of course, the written work back then was rarer that a logically thinking creationist today.

On the point of detecting Earth type planets: Up to this point in time the Earth is unique in human knowledge of the universe, once we have the ability to detect and do detect other earth type planets, the Earth becomes nothing more that one planet in a large population of similar planets.

I.E. not unique

 

[AV1611VET]

On the point of detecting Earth type planets: Up to this point in time the Earth is unique in human knowledge of the universe, once we have the ability to detect and do detect other earth type planets, the Earth becomes nothing more that one planet in a large population of similar planets.

I.E. not unique

Guess again --- I wasn't talking about earth-type planets --- I was talking about earth.

If every planet in the universe was just like earth, we would still be unique in that we came first.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Guess again --- I wasn't talking about earth-type planets --- I was talking about earth.

If every planet in the universe was just like earth, we would still be unique in that we came first.

There you go again, ignoring everything gleaned about the universe in the last 300 years in favour of a bad translation of a bad translation of a bad translation of a book of Bronze Age Israelite parodies.

I suppose you still think the sun orbits the earth.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

The first known planet beyond the solar system that could harbor life as we know it has been discovered, scientists report.
The most Earthlike planet yet found, it orbits a red dwarf star and likely contains liquid water, said the European astronomers who made the discovery.

LINK

 

[AV1611VET]

I suppose you still think the sun orbits the earth.

What does geocentrism have to to with geoprominence?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Guess again --- I wasn't talking about earth-type planets --- I was talking about earth.

How is the Earth not an Earth-type planet?

If every planet in the universe was just like earth, we would still be unique in that we came first.

Except that we didn't.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

What does geocentrism have to to with geoprominence?

Well you make a bold assumption on nothing more that Bronze Age parables, i.e. the Earth is the oldest planet in the universe, even though we know for a fact that this is not true, so I suppose the same is true for geocentricism. Or do you accept the astronomical evidence for the sun being the centre of your Solar System, but not the fact that there are older planets out there.

Astronomers have discovered the oldest known planet, a primeval world 12.7 billion years old that will force them to reconsider how and when planets form. The discovery raises the prospect that life may have begun far sooner than most scientists ever imagined.
A leading planet-formation expert not involved in the work called the discovery mind-boggling.
The ancient world is well more than twice the age of Earth and all other known planets. It is nearly as old as the universe itself. And it has had an incredibly wild ride through time.
The world formed when the universe was just a billion years old, researchers said at a NASA press conference today. It began its travels around a fairly normal star much like our Sun. The next 10 billion years were fairly routine.
Then the planet was booted from its stellar orbit and captured by the gravity of another star that was well into its death throes.
That's where astronomers found the planet, in a controversial search that began a decade ago.

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So AV, you are wrong, in fact you are badly wrong, the Earth was not the first planet.

 

[AV1611VET]

So AV, you are wrong, in fact you are badly wrong, the Earth was not the first planet.

I bet you believe the earth came before the sun too, don't you?

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

I bet you believe the earth came before the sun too, don't you?

No; the sun and earth formed by the collapse of a dust cloud at the same time ~ 4.5 billion years ago

Look up solar nebular.

 

[AV1611VET]

No; the sun and earth formed by the collapse of a dust cloud at the same time ~ 4.5 billion years ago

Look up solar nebular.

Woops! I asked that wrong. I meant to say: I bet you believe the sun came before the earth --- sorry.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Woops! I asked that wrong. I meant to say: I bet you believe the sun came before the earth --- sorry.

Well same answer:

No; the sun and earth formed by the collapse of a dust cloud at the same time ~ 4.5 billion years ago

Look up solar nebular.

 

[AV1611VET]

Look up solar nebular.

No, thank you; you have your scriptures, and I have mine.

 

[paug]

No, thank you; you have your scriptures, and I have mine.

Difference is we know what we're denying. You don't - not that you need to :-EEE

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

No, thank you; you have your scriptures, and I have mine.

No; we have evidence, you have Bronze Age Israelite parodies.

 

[agentorange20]

Woops! I asked that wrong. I meant to say: I bet you believe the sun came before the earth --- sorry.

It (the sun) would kind of have to, with what we know already regarding solar nebular formation stars occupy the vast majority of a planetary systems mass, the 1% of remaining matter in our solar system constitutes all the planets, asteroid belt, moons, etc.

Besides, lets hypothetically say the Earth formed first as the Bible claims....what would the Earth then revolve around then? And after the Sun does form, how would the Earth all of sudden begin to revolve around it with no force of angular momentum from the beginning?

 

[AV1611VET]

Besides, lets hypothetically say the Earth formed first as the Bible claims....what would the Earth then revolve around then?

Nothing?

And after the Sun does form, how would the Earth all of sudden begin to revolve around it with no force of angular momentum from the beginning?

Well, a little nudge could have set it in motion, I'm sure.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Well, a little nudge could have set it in motion, I'm sure.

The Earth's mass is about 1.3*10^25 lbs., revolving around the Sun at about 66,600 mph (amazing coincidence -- 666, wouldn't you agree?). It would take more than a "little nudge" to set that in motion from a dead stop, wouldn't you agree?

 

[AV1611VET]

It would take more than a "little nudge" to set that in motion from a dead stop, wouldn't you agree?

Not at all --- from Someone Who stopped its rotation, and even later, reversed its rotation?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Not at all --- from Someone Who stopped its rotation, and even later, reversed its rotation?

That's an interesting piece of mythology you've latched on to -- It reminded me that the Earth is also rotating at approximately 1100 mph.

Now, you're going to have to imagine what'd happen when an object of such mass moving at such speed suddenly decides to hit the brakes, or worse, go into reverse. But kudos for you anyway for abandoning your literalism long enough to interject a small dosage of reality -- after all, the Bible says nothing about God doing either of these things to the Earth's rotation, does it? It was the Sun that got stopped...

Now of course, you're going to come right back and fabricate some Creationist blather about God suspending the laws of physics on Joshua's behalf, so that the planet didn't crack apart like a stale corn muffin, and I answer, of course! And why shouldn't He? Nothing's more depressing than being forced to commit genocide in the dark.

 

[Holy Roller]

Are you the guy who created Poes Law? Just asking...