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It does not mean that hell is for ever. You must look into the orginal translation, and get a second opinion. Otherwise your just a blind sheep.
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well ready this please. Revelation 20:10It does not mean that hell is for ever. You must look into the orginal translation, and get a second opinion. Otherwise your just a blind sheep.
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Revelation 20:10I believe Scripture is clear that God loves all in a general, not all that personal manner - this is often referred to as His unconditional love.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. <-----> John 3:16+17
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. <-----> 1st John 2:1+2
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. <-----> 1st Timothy 2:1-4
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. <-----> 2nd Peter 3:9
But Scripture is also clear that God loves specifically/personally - those who believe on and obey Jesus. This can be referred to as His conditional love.
He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He that loves me not keeps not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. <-----> John 14:21-24
God's unconditional love makes everyone eligible for Salvation. But this is only provisional salvation, in order for it to be individually effectual we have to learn to love and obey Jesus, His Holy Spirit.
And then His conditional love seals us in His Saving Grace, being personally accepted by The Father in The Beloved.
Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? <-----> Ezekiel 18:23
Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dies, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye. <-----> Ezekiel 18:31+32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God has given to them that obey him. <-----> Acts 5:32
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another.
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Neither give place to the devil.
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labor, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needs.
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you. <-----> Ephesians 4:25-32
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. <-----> 2nd Corinthians 3:17
What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. <-----> 1st Corinthians 6:16+17
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you. <-----> Romans 8:8-11
And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it shall be opened.
If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? <-----> Luke 11:9-13
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. <-----> Titus 3:5-7
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death. <-----> Philippians 1:19+20
May The Lord Be Magnified !
wm
gI believe Scripture is clear that God loves all in a general, not all that personal manner - this is often referred to as His unconditional love.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. <-----> John 3:16+17
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. <-----> 1st John 2:1+2
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. <-----> 1st Timothy 2:1-4
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. <-----> 2nd Peter 3:9
But Scripture is also clear that God loves specifically/personally - those who believe on and obey Jesus. This can be referred to as His conditional love.
He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He that loves me not keeps not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. <-----> John 14:21-24
God's unconditional love makes everyone eligible for Salvation. But this is only provisional salvation, in order for it to be individually effectual we have to learn to love and obey Jesus, His Holy Spirit.
And then His conditional love seals us in His Saving Grace, being personally accepted by The Father in The Beloved.
Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? <-----> Ezekiel 18:23
Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dies, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye. <-----> Ezekiel 18:31+32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God has given to them that obey him. <-----> Acts 5:32
Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another.
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Neither give place to the devil.
Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labor, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needs.
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you. <-----> Ephesians 4:25-32
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. <-----> 2nd Corinthians 3:17
What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. <-----> 1st Corinthians 6:16+17
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you. <-----> Romans 8:8-11
And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it shall be opened.
If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? <-----> Luke 11:9-13
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. <-----> Titus 3:5-7
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death. <-----> Philippians 1:19+20
May The Lord Be Magnified !
wm
if god love is unconditional why are some people going to the lake of fire it make;s no since that mean's we can do what we want to do and not get punish. do parent love there children unconiditional? if your child kept stealing from you how long would take it before you put them out? prov 6- v
16These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
gal 5-v 19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,Your comments, friend, are just your reasonings, and mixing the Israelite religion with the grace of God in the New Testament through the Lord Jesus Christ. If one is "born again" by the Holy Spirit they are "a new creation in Christ". That is the truth for the Church. People are going down to eternal condemnation for rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ as their Redeemer, BUT they will still go down loved by God as my post said, for God hates sin but not the sinner.
lets read it all for understand cause paul is leting us know it's a struggle for him rom 7-v14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
I must admit these verses make me a little frightened. What happens if you do sin wilfully or backslide into wickedness and want to come back to Christ is there any hope for such people or have they forfeited Christ's one and only sacrifice and their only chance?
Whoa, slow down OP. You're quoting from a Hebrew-Christian epistle, meaning it was addressed to Jews and more importantly, while the temple was standing. Hebrews is written to exhort them to press onto spiritual maturity in the face of persecution instead of resorting back to sacrificial Judaism. And Paul is saying that if one goes back under that system, and if one sins, there no longer remains a sacrifice acceptable for their sins.
OP, I don't know if you realize this or not. But the inverse reality created by your OP is that somehow God can be disappointed in us. Which would mean that He doesn't already know when we'll fail in our lives, thus making Him not omniscient.
I must admit these verses make me a little frightened. What happens if you do sin wilfully or backslide into wickedness and want to come back to Christ is there any hope for such people or have they forfeited Christ's one and only sacrifice and their only chance?
Everyone who was in the early church was a jew.
He was talking to Christians, not to unsaved jews.
That God knows you will do a thing does not rule out disappointment when it happens. I don't know about you but it hurts when you're betrayed by someone you love, even if you see it coming
I didn't say it's not addressed to Christians. I said Hebrews is a "Hebrew-Christian epistle" addressed to Jews while yet the temple is still standing. Paul is exhorting these Christian Jews to press on to spiritual maturity instead of reverting back to the old system of Judaism in the midst of intense persecution from the Jewish authorities.
And the passage quoted in the OP is warning these Christians that if they do this and sin willfully after that, there remains no more sacrifice for their sins to God. God doesn't accept the sacrificial system anymore.