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2 Cor. 12:7-10 though I'm not so sure that it is sickness, it could have been sickness, or maybe something else...but for St. Paul, it was a weakness, and it is in his weakness that the power of Christ remained in him...Quaffer said:
Duggie, Yes I think that God is allowing me to go thru this as I said before, For the simple fact that I needed to take a break from 70-80 hours a week. And yes I have prayed for healing, I am waiting for this to happen cause I need to learn patience.Duggie said:
I was familiar with the scripture reference but personally, I believe it was something else and I see no record of it NEVER being taken away.Photini said:
I would love to answer this...especially since my log in name is "God is in control"victoryword said:
What I am interested in is HOW is God in control when things go contrary to His revealed will and what part of the Bible sufficiently advocates this statement?[/QUOTE said:
VW...I wouldn't wish suffering on anyone. I hope you wouldn't tell the blind person... that God made....."happy suffering"victoryword said:
God Bless you Idie, God never promised us a perfect life without pain or disease. I don't know one apostle that died a nice and peaceful death....all were horrific!!!Iddie4him said:
I agree that God never promised us a perfect life, however I'm sure we would all agree that in Christ Jesus we are victorious. Walking in good health, peace and prosperity (as in God supplying our needs) are things that I believe God wants for all His children. I completely understand the fact that many believers are persecuted and killed for their faith. I have no answer as to why some christians endure certain hardships whilst others seemingly do not. In regard to the apostles deaths however we must take into consideration the climate of anti-christian feeling and persecution carried out against the church during that time.Godisincontrol said:
When you say "God supplies our needs" what does that mean to you exactly? Please be specific in what needs you think God will supply for everyone whether or not they live in this wonderful Country or not. Also, when you say "the word says you are healed", please be specific in what you mean by that... and which scripture guarantees physical healing vs spiritual healing to all believers who have faith in Jesus Christ...Peace!Duggie said:
Godisincontrol said:It's pretty much straight forward whatever needs I have, be that food on my table, clothes on my back, roof over my head, money in the bank etc... I give thanks to God in all things be them great or small. God is most definately supplying my families needs. I am not going to be embarrassed or apologize for the fact that I serve a God who does indeed supply my need.
Obviously those of us who are fortunate enough to be living in parts of the world that have strong economies, access to basic health care, housing, employment etc... are going to have different needs than those in poorer countries. God is still meeting the needs of even the most poorest people. Through Christian Aid, Oxfam, countries who have given billions of pounds/dollars to help those in real need.
Psalm 107:19-20, Isaiah 53:5(physical/spiritual depending upon how you wish to intepret) Acts 14:9, James 5:16. There are so many to choose from.
See above!! As somebody that has suffered with a severe illness for approx 4 years it would be so easy for me to say "well God is in control and hopefully some day I'll get through this." Although there's nothing wrong with those sentiments per se. I'm more inclined to read God's word and apply those scriptures that relate to healing to my life. I refuse to let sickness reign in my body. Do you think there is something wrong with that? There are so many scriptures that deal with keep asking and seeking, if you believe you will recieve etc... (Mark 9:23 illustrates this point beautifully)
Godisincontrol let me leave you with a verse that has greatly blessed and enriched my life. Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him. 1John 5:14-15 Peace!!!
But would you also agree that there are non christians who are wealthy and healthy, yet there are believers (with strong faith in Jesus) who aren't blessed to live in America who feel blessed to have one meal a day and one pair of clothes a week? And, what if you were forced to move to another country such as Africa and you didn't have a dime, would you think you were all of the sudden cursed, or would you still be thankful that you had salvation. I mean don't get me wrong. I thank God for giving me a home, clothes and food to eat anytime I want, but I never want to think of this as my security, because it could all change at anytime.Duggie said:It's pretty much straight forward whatever needs I have, be that food on my table, clothes on my back, roof over my head, money in the bank etc... I give thanks to God in all things be them great or small. God is most definately supplying my families needs. I am not going to be embarrassed or apologize for the fact that I serve a God who does indeed supply my need.
If you and your significant other lost your jobs and you had to become homeless, yet there was a shelter and food to feed your stomach, would you still praise God for that because your needs were being met?Duggie said:
Well, you are going to die right? And, you are most likely going to die of heart disease from an old body breaking down and getting "sick" as we speak. Right now with every heart beat, your heart is wearing down. And, cardiac disease could be setting in...but.... over time very slowly. So, unless you live in your earthly body forever, some "sickness" is occuring right now within you that will eventually cause death. I do believe God can prolong your life, or not though.[color=#556b2f said:
I too love this verse because if it is not in His will, He will not hear us, but if it is, He will. This verse reassures me that I can go to Him with anything, but I may not get everything....and that's okay...He knows what is bestDuggie said:
Godisincontrol let me leave you with a verse that has greatly blessed and enriched my life. Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him. 1John 5:14-15 Peace!!!
Philippians 4:19 ~ But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.Godisincontrol said:
Philippians 4:8 ~ Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.Godisincontrol said:
