God is "Good"

[UnderPar]

None of this stuff I'm saying is life and death, theres no emergency here.

The universe is a well oiled machine.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

well this thread is dead now tbh might as well close it never even got into the topic.

"Earth"/world/society/men/mankind/internet/etc etc etc etc
is that way.
"not good"

 

[Evan Briggs]

I guess because I was a Christian for half of my life, and I want to share my discoveries about life as you do. Maybe my threads will help Christians find better answers from the Christian theology their getting.

They sure helped me, and I was ....messed, still am a bit.

I sense that you were not born again, because doubt is the devils play ground.

Christ is the only way in my life. My life was going down the drain with porn, cheating on my wife and so on.

The difference is this. We don't find Jesus, Jesus finds us. Because His door is always open.

 

[Evan Briggs]

None of this stuff I'm saying is life and death, theres no emergency here.

The universe is a well oiled machine.

But that's just it, its either life or death.

“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[UnderPar]

I sense that you were not born again, because doubt is the devils play ground.

Christ is the only way in my life. My life was going down the drain with porn, cheating on my wife and so on.

The difference is this. We don't find Jesus, Jesus finds us. Because His door is always open.

So was mine, but while I was a Christian. Then I discovered a middle path, and took it. It costed me everything, I was on the streets without shoes. Calling out to Jesus, he wasn't there. So I had make and break, and leave everything and everyone.
When I arrived in Brisbane I was still babbling religion, and I could see a mirror of what I was doing to completely new people.

Then I axed the rest of my beliefs, in order to save people from my old fundy ways.

 

[Hawkins]

Is hell a good or bad place?

If it is a good place, then why.
If it is a bad place, then why.

Or answer the poll.

Hell is just a place without God's maintenance for He said that He's the God of the living, not the God of the dead.

So it boils to your choice to be with God or not. If yes then it remains to be your choice to live with Him in a forever realm He's going to build. If no it remains your choice to live a forever realm without God. To put it another way, you are either with God or you are not. There's no middle ground here. If not, then He's not your God. You will be in the most natural environment you can ever live.

Earth and our universe is not a natural environment, it's God made. Hell can be the most natural environment ever, without God's presence though.

 

[-V-]

Is it just to go to hell (If it's a bad place)
I know the word bad means non preferable. But if we as humans took a non preferable action, it can't be considered good. Non good things I would think are preferably sinful in Christian terminology. Well it's black and white for God right?

I'm sure criminals find prison "non preferable". It's still just/good to put them there.

 

[UnderPar]

I'm sure criminals find prison "non preferable". It's still just/good to put them there.

The prison system does work the same as hell, that it is a method of fear that forces someone to change their behavior.

But is it right to use these methods?

 

[-V-]

The prison system does work the same as hell, that it is a method of fear that forces someone to change their behavior.

While it is hoped that a rehabilitation is achieved, prison is primarily punishment, plain & simple. Many criminals don't become better people after being released. It's still good/just to have sent them there.

But is it right to use these methods?

Why is it not?

 

[Evan Briggs]

The prison system does work the same as hell, that it is a method of fear that forces someone to change their behavior.

But is it right to use these methods?

Scripture says this:

Rom 13:1-Rom 13:2 ESV Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

 

[UnderPar]

Why is it not?

Scripture says this:

Rom 13:1-Rom 13:2 ESV Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

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[Evan Briggs]

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I hear you man, just remember that God loves you and just wants you to come home.

 

[effalo]

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Hello UnderPar,

You said,

Is hell a good or bad place?

If it is a good place, then why.
If it is a bad place, then why.

Or answer the poll.

My answer:

Your city has a jailhouse and you and I would never want to go to jail! Is the jailhouse good? Read on.

If your city has an amusement park, it would be counted in the “good” category because you and I would both like it assuming that we both like amusement parks.

Hell is a bad place because neither you nor I would want to enter it neither does God want us there. Neither do parents like inflicting pain to their children by whipping them to drive out their foolishness in doing wrong.

If hell is bad on the above counts, what good is it? As with the prison, it is good for us because it confines those that would harm us.

Whoever is an enemy of God is our enemy also. The enemy strikes at God by striking at us to harm us. He that refuses to repent to be reconciled to God forces God to turn him into that horrible place. Hell is everlasting because we are everlasting and whoever chooses not to repent spends his everlasting life in that place of punishment.

Why the punishment? Is not punishment the consequences of refusal to authority? It would be everlasting because the victim forced himself beyond the end of the allowed period of grace to repent. God sends no one to hell. Hell's victims send themselves.

Hell is thus bad for its victims but good for those from whom the enemy of God is separated so that the enemy is no longer able to do harm to the good.

 

[UnderPar]

Hello UnderPar,

You said,



My answer:

Your city has a jailhouse and you and I would never want to go to jail! Is the jailhouse good? Read on.

If your city has an amusement park, it would be counted in the “good” category because you and I would both like it assuming that we both like amusement parks.

Hell is a bad place because neither you nor I would want to enter it neither does God want us there. Neither do parents like inflicting pain to their children by whipping them to drive out their foolishness in doing wrong.

If hell is bad on the above counts, what good is it? As with the prison, it is good for us because it confines those that would harm us.

Whoever is an enemy of God is our enemy also. The enemy strikes at God by striking at us to harm us. He that refuses to repent to be reconciled to God forces God to turn him into that horrible place. Hell is everlasting because we are everlasting and whoever chooses not to repent spends his everlasting life in that place of punishment.

Why the punishment? Is not punishment the consequences of refusal to authority? It would be everlasting because the victim forced himself beyond the end of the allowed period of grace to repent. God sends no one to hell. Hell's victims send themselves.

Hell is thus bad for its victims but good for those from whom the enemy of God is separated so that the enemy is no longer able to do harm to the good.

That's some interesting mind bending ideas. But using trains and prisons to compare to hell doesn't really fit.

Firstly you only get hurt once by a train. It's not like if you didn't listen to the yelling people warning you, you'd get run over by the train for eternity.

Secondly prisons are designed to protect the public from serious offenders, but if your the offender and you reform you leave the prison.

You can't compare anything to hell, because it's punishment is unthinkable.

 

[miknik5]

Wait til 2 Thessalonians 2 happens

Then maybe some will wake up and understand just how GOOD GOD is

 

[effalo]

That's some interesting mind bending ideas. But using trains and prisons to compare to hell doesn't really fit.

Firstly you only get hurt once by a train. It's not like if you didn't listen to the yelling people warning you, you'd get run over by the train for eternity.

Secondly prisons are designed to protect the public from serious offenders, but if your the offender and you reform you leave the prison.

You can't compare anything to hell, because it's punishment is unthinkable.

Hello again Underpar,

As you and I would avoid the train, so would we avoid hell. We know better than to foolishly drive our cars in front of the train. We likewise know to avoid hell. What do we do with John 3:16?

"16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Whippings from our parents and prisons are temporary and are meant to deter us from the road to hell that's final. As we obey the signal that warns us of the train, so do we obey the word of God that warns us of hell of which we are all destined unless we repent as we are instructed. Why complain about what can be avoided?

For the person that may have been trying for years to go to God without success, he needs to find the broken part in the machine that hinders its proper operation.

ELD

 

[UnderPar]

Hello again Underpar,

As you and I would avoid the train, so would we avoid hell. We know better than to foolishly drive our cars in front of the train. We likewise know to avoid hell. What do we do with John 3:16?

"16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Whippings from our parents and prisons are temporary and are meant to deter us from the road to hell that's final. As we obey the signal that warns us of the train, so do we obey the word of God that warns us of hell of which we are all destined unless we repent as we are instructed. Why complain about what can be avoided?

For the person that may have been trying for years to go to God without success, he needs to find the broken part in the machine that hinders its proper operation.

ELD

Lets stop talking about hell k.

 

[-V-]

That's some interesting mind bending ideas. But using trains and prisons to compare to hell doesn't really fit.

Firstly you only get hurt once by a train. It's not like if you didn't listen to the yelling people warning you, you'd get run over by the train for eternity.

The difference is irrelevant to your question. One being eternal and one not doesn't change the motivation behind someone warning you of either one.

Secondly prisons are designed to protect the public from serious offenders, but if your the offender and you reform you leave the prison.
You can't compare anything to hell, because it's punishment is unthinkable.

Nothing in there about hell being good or bad. So, once again, the differences you're pointing out don't seem relevant to the question you're asking.

 

[miknik5]

The difference is irrelevant to your question. One being eternal and one not doesn't change the motivation behind someone warning you of either one.


Nothing in there about hell being good or bad. So, once again, the differences you're pointing out don't seem relevant to the question you're asking.

Is being in prison good?

 

[-V-]

Is being in prison good?

What is "good"?

Is it not considered an act of justice to put a criminal in prison? Justice is good.