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I just want people to be honest. Let them admit they have no hard evidence in the Bible for immaterialism - an extraordinary claim. Let them admit that it came from a homosexual pagan philosopher named Plato.Jesus, Father God and the Holy Spirit are not a magicians. I'm gonna leave it there now mates I can see you will never change your mind and that's OK but faith is about believing things unseen. We don't need answers for everything because our mind can never know all the things of God.
No it's not. It about believing things seen - and therefore material things. You've misunderstood Heb 11:1, like most people do.faith is about believing things unseen.
Yet you haven't named one. Interesting. Why am I not surprised?I've counted at least 5 times you belittled / were Condescending towards me In this post and if you can't see them then you need some serious help man.
Let me get this straight.I'm gonna deleted my account now, I genuinely joined here to communicate with Christians but this has actually been the worse experience.
That's not an insult, but an analogy. When debating with someone, how in heaven's name am I supposed to break through 2,000 years of indoctrination in his head? Answer: by using an analogy as a rude awakening. Most Christians HAVE NO IDEA they've been brainwashed/indoctrinated into immaterialism.OK here you go before I go your constant use of use the force luke.
Disagreement defines debate. Otherwise they wouldn't call it a debate.2 how you said No straight of the bat...
See above.3 how you said wrong again there are more.
I'm gonna deleted my account now, I genuinely joined here to communicate with Christians but this has actually been the worse experience.
And by the way, didn't you say, in your initial posts on this thread, that my position makes ZERO sense? Yet now you claim that such language is insulting - when I use it? So it's okay for you to do it, but not me?OK here you go before I go your constant use of use the force luke. 2 how you said No straight of the bat... 3 how you said wrong again there are more.
See my last post.I did not say insult I said belittling / condescending which is exactly what you did. Don't change the word. You won't break through to anyone the way you do it.
Isn't this kind of statement precisely what you classified as belittling/condescending?And to be honest your argument is super weak it barely makes sense.
Yet you haven't actually named/pinpointed one weakness in my argument. Not that I recall anyway. It was you who got us into a discussion of belittling. All I did was give reasons for my position.And to be honest your argument is super weak it barely makes sense.
No.I've read much of this post and have three questions:
(1) Are you a Mormon?
You can start by reading my recent discussion starting at 664. That should give you the general idea, although there's plenty more said on this thread.(2) How do you reconcile Psalm 139 and John 4 ("God is spirit") with your ideas?
Me? What I'm trying to show is that traditional theologians have deluged/deluded our minds with human reasoning and philosophy. And I think I do a reasonably plausible job of proving it, if you were to read all my posts. Take a look at this post for example, on another thread.(3) Why do you use so much human reasoning and philosophy rather than spending all of your time in the Scriptures to prove your point?
Let's be clear. I don't think JESUS did any miracles. The divine Word, specifically the THIRD PERSON, did those miracles. The Third Person is ALWAYS operating behind the scenes, manipulating reality on our behalf just like a magician.I have but you just brush them away with some answer that makes no sense like Jesus appearing and vanishing. You have some answer of him being like a magician. I suppose you can explain the resurrection with some easy answer too.
You labeled my post "Funny", as a form of belittling/insult, even though that label was intended for intentionally humorous posts. That's a violation of forum rules.Haha I don't even know what to say. Where do you get this stuff from? That's not in the bible.
Materialism doesn't NEED to be in the Bible because matter is all we know for sure. The burden of proof falls on those who make extraordinary claims.That's not in the bible.
There is hard evidence in the Bible that God used material dynamics to do miracles. Here's one example (and I can provide several more): how did the Red Sea divide? Instantly, by magic? Or gradually, by material dynamics? The latter. A strong wind blew over the course of - an entire evening! Turns out it was the divine Wind/Breath (the Third Person):That's not in the bible.
You labeled my post "Funny", as a form of belittling/insult, even though that label was intended for intentionally humorous posts. That's a violation of forum rules.
Materialism doesn't NEED to be in the Bible because matter is all we know for sure. The burden of proof falls on those who make extraordinary claims.
There is hard evidence in the Bible that God used material dynamics to do miracles. Here's one example (and I can provide several more): how did the Red Sea divide? Instantly, by magic? Or gradually, by material dynamics? The latter. A strong wind blew over the course of - an entire evening! Turns out it was the divine Wind/Breath (the Third Person):
"8By the blast of your nostrils the waters piled up....10But you blew with your breath [ruach], and the sea covered them." (Ex 15).
There is NO hard evidence in Scripture for the fairytale/fantasy known as immaterialism.
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