God Evolved

[CherubRam]

I've never seen any source that says any part of it was written earlier than 1,000 BCE, and it's most likely that it was much later than that. From where are you getting this?

Enoch (2967 BC) gave some prophecy using astrological signs. Abram / Abraham (1800 BC) gave prophecy using astrological signs. That is why Astrology is called Abraham's sin. The Pyramids have the same same astrological signs from Joseph.

 

[Robban]

Enoch (2967 BC) gave some prophecy using astrological signs. Abram / Abraham (1800 BC) gave prophecy using astrological signs. That is why Astrology is called Abraham's sin. The Pyramids have the same same astrological signs from Joseph.

It has been said the same about Jesus too,
that he learned magic while in Egypt.

Stories surrounding the birth of Abraham and Jesus are similar as far as astrology
is concerned.

Terah Abrahams father was involved in asrology and all manner of shady stuff,

he was one of the most important persons in the Court of Nimrod,
The night Before Abraham was born,
Nimrods astrologers looking out at the night sky they read that a newly born child
was to become the chief and father of a mighty nation.

Nimrod demanded the child be killed but Terah tricked him.

However Abram/Abraham had been taught the knowledge of G-d and he despised the idol worship of the people around him,

(He smashed the idols in his father's shop)

Compare with the story surrounding the birth of Jesus.

 

[Robban]

One thing is certain concerning evolving is, gossip,

It start with a feather and ends up as a hen.

 

[Fizzywig]

It has been said the same about Jesus too,
that he learned magic while in Egypt.

Oh, you have heard that one too? There is also the one where he popped over to India, also England. Mythology of course.

 

[CherubRam]

One thing is certain concerning evolving is, gossip,

It start with a feather and ends up as a hen.

What do you think God means when saying this: Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god formed, nor will there be one after me.

 

[CherubRam]

Both, the Old Testament and the New Testament speak against Astrology. Using the stars to tell a story is not Astrology. It is story telling using the stars that lead to Astrology. Christ also said that the miracles done through him, were done by God the Father.

 

[Robban]

QUOTE="CherubRam, post: 70050511, member: 321365"]What do you think God means when saying this: Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god formed, nor will there be one after me.[/QUOTE]

"You are my witnesses" says the Lord,

"And my servant (Jacob) whom I chose" (to testify I kept My promise)

In order that you know and believe Me.

And understand that I am He;
Before Me no god was formed and after Me none shall be.

 

[Robban]

Both, the Old Testament and the New Testament speak against Astrology. Using the stars to tell a story is not Astrology. It is story telling using the stars that lead to Astrology. Christ also said that the miracles done through him, were done by God the Father.

Try and read between the lines, I often refer to certain events as stories,

Like in hi-story,

It does not mean I treat them as fairy stories.

Or why not a reporter reporting on a story.

 

[CherubRam]

QUOTE="CherubRam, post: 70050511, member: 321365"]What do you think God means when saying this: Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god formed, nor will there be one after me.

"You are my witnesses" says the Lord,

"And my servant (Jacob) whom I chose" (to testify I kept My promise)

In order that you know and believe Me.

And understand that I am He;
Before Me no god was formed and after Me none shall be.[/QUOTE] "Witnesses" is plural and not singular. The nation Israel is God's servant in this particular case. Israel is the people of the world whom serve God.

 

[Robban]

"You are my witnesses" says the Lord,

"And my servant (Jacob) whom I chose" (to testify I kept My promise)

In order that you know and believe Me.

And understand that I am He;
Before Me no god was formed and after Me none shall be.

"Witnesses" is plural and not singular. The nation Israel is God's servant in this particular case. Israel is the people of the world whom serve God.[/QUOTE]

You may need to rethink.

Here is a commentary by Rashi,

Jacob, he too shall testify that I promised him when he went to Mesopotamia,

and I kept my promise.

 

[Zoness]

The premise and conclusion of the the OP's assertion are self-referencing. There's not really anything to discuss because you either believe that the Abrahamic God created the universe or you don't. Crossing that gap as an argument doesn't ever work. For example, I am not a Christian so using Christian scripture as a basis of argument doesn't make any sense because I already don't believe in it.

 

[CherubRam]

"Witnesses" is plural and not singular. The nation Israel is God's servant in this particular case. Israel is the people of the world whom serve God.

You may need to rethink.

Here is a commentary by Rashi,

Jacob, he too shall testify that I promised him when he went to Mesopotamia,

and I kept my promise.[/QUOTE] God has made more than one promise, and there is more than one servant of God.

 

[CherubRam]

The premise and conclusion of the the OP's assertion are self-referencing. There's not really anything to discuss because you either believe that the Abrahamic God created the universe or you don't. Crossing that gap as an argument doesn't ever work. For example, I am not a Christian so using Christian scripture as a basis of argument doesn't make any sense because I already don't believe in it.

Basically the thread is for anyone who would find the subject of interest. Naturally any who have rejected the bible would not care about this thread.

 

[CherubRam]

Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god formed, nor will there be one after me.

 

[Robban]

What do you think God means when saying this: Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god formed, nor will there be one after me.

It is;
Before Me was no god formed and after Me none shall be.

Prettty straight forward.

 

[CherubRam]

It is;
Before Me was no god formed and after Me none shall be.

Prettty straight forward.

Yes it is. And the key word in that verse is (formed.) God said He formed, which means that He came into being.

 

[Robban]

Yes it is. And the key word in that verse is (formed.) God said He formed, which means that He came into being.

He has no shape or form,

 

[Arthra]

The proof that God exist is in the fact that spontaneous evolution of life is not possible in this universe. God evolved, then He created. From the Subatomic and the primordial Dark Matter. A type of nothing, because it has no atomic bonds to form anything. God created gravity and gravitons to form the atomic elements of this Universe.

It may be Cherub that you are assuming God "evolved". Perhaps the scripture such as “I am the Alpha and the Omega,Who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty” it suggests God is not conditioned by time..beginning or ending.

 

[CherubRam]

He has no shape or form,

How can you say He has no form when we are created in His image?

 

[CherubRam]

It may be Cherub that you are assuming God "evolved". Perhaps the scripture such as “I am the Alpha and the Omega,Who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty” it suggests God is not conditioned by time..beginning or ending.

Time is the progression of events. Alpha means (Beginning.)