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GOD can make a married bachelor
Illogical argument. "Omnipotence" never included logical absurdities in its definition. God can not stop being God. And being God includes perfection/holiness, which precludes lying. So God would have to stop being God, a logical absurdity.God can't lie. Hebrews 6:17-18
There. God isn't omnipotent. Next?
That was more directed at the people who think that God can do logically absurd things (square circles). I'm not getting into a debate about whether God lying is logically absurd.Illogical argument. "Omnipotence" never included logical absurdities in its definition. God can not stop being God. And being God includes perfection/holiness, which precludes lying. So God would have to stop being God, a logical absurdity.
Entertaining.Of course, by being all powerful you could get close to being all knowing, but not quite. By being all knowing you could get close to being all powerful, but not quite.
It is not possible to be both all knowing and all powerful.
If you were all knowing, you would know everything, even about the future. This means that you would know exactly what you are going to do way before you do it, and you know what other people are going to do. You cannot change what you or they are going to do otherwise you would not be all knowing since you would have got it wrong. Therefore to be all knowing, you can't be all powerful. If you were all powerful, you would be able to change your mind, meaning that you were wrong, and so you are not all knowing.
Of course, by being all powerful you could get close to being all knowing, but not quite. By being all knowing you could get close to being all powerful, but not quite.
It is not possible to be both all knowing and all powerful.
If you were all knowing, you would know everything, even about the future. This means that you would know exactly what you are going to do way before you do it, and you know what other people are going to do. You cannot change what you or they are going to do otherwise you would not be all knowing since you would have got it wrong. Therefore to be all knowing, you can't be all powerful. If you were all powerful, you would be able to change your mind, meaning that you were wrong, and so you are not all knowing.
Yes. But thats no fault of the philosophers. The ideas themselves are absurd....most of the 'OMNI' talk that dribbles from the mouths of philosophers is absurd from a human viewpoint....
Because it's part of the definition of the Biblical God.
Because it's part the definition of "perfection/holiness".
The Bible.
The dictionary.
Note I said perfect *AND* holy. You seem to be trying to ignore the "holy" part. The Bible is clear that God is holy.Given particular definitions of "perfect", not all Christians believe that. For example, Charles Hartshorne, a well respected Christian Philosopher prominent in the last half of the twentieth century, wrote "Omnipotence and Other Theological Mistakes". He didn't believe the Christian god was unchanging, so given a very rigid definition of "perfect", he wouldn't have agreed with the idea.
Merriam-Webster:What dictionary definition precludes lying from the definition of "perfect"?
Note I said perfect *AND* holy.
Did you miss where the definition of "holy" includes "perfect"?Yes, which means that both conditions need to be met. I'm trying to determine how you can meet the first condition. Until then, the second condition doesn't need to be addressed.
If you want to ditch the "perfect" part of the description, be my guest.
Did you miss where the definition of "holy" includes "perfect"?
Holy
"Morally and spiritually excellent." That precludes lying.
It isn't necessary for you to pick nits, and yet here we are.
Because of what the Bible says about things like morality and lying.
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