God Arguing With Himself?

[MrMoe]

I'm still finding this hard to get around. If Jesus is God in the flesh why is he called the son of God? if he is God in the flesh why did he need to pray while on earth and why did he ask God to "remove this cup from me"? was he backing out of his own plan?

 

[heymikey80]

God expresses Himself in different Persons through His communicating with Himself.

Is God His Own Son?

Did someone say Jesus was forced to pray? Are we forced to pray? What's the purpose of prayer? Isn't it communion? Human beings engage in communion with God through prayer. It would instead be strange if the Son of God did not want to remain in communion with God.

The idea that sin introduces multiple competing desires in God incarnated in humanity as it does in people incarnated into humanity doesn't seem strange to me. That's the only way God could experience temptation, isn't it?

 

[Peacedove]

This can be a difficult one to get your head around. I find it easier to understand if I think of someone who is

a son
a brother
a father
a grandfather

He is the same person but in each of these roles he will play a slightly different role. I know this is not the perfect way of doing it but it worked for me. Some things I think we just have to accept and God reveals more and more as we grow with Him.

 

[Bouke285]

I'm still finding this hard to get around. If Jesus is God in the flesh why is he called the son of God? if he is God in the flesh why did he need to pray while on earth and why did he ask God to "remove this cup from me"? was he backing out of his own plan?

God is a paradox. We will never, while on this earth, understand how He is. You can't simplify Him by thinking of him as one person who interacts with himself in three different ways, this, unknown to most, could be considered a heresy. God is one essence but three persons. That is as far as we can go in our understanding of His being. Jesus was fully God, and fully man. While on earth He did not use his divinity though He had it, and could have used it. He used the Holy Spirit to do the miracles, the time had not yet come. He was baptized by John, and the Holy Spirit descended on Him. It is from this point on that Jesus began His ministry. Satan tried so hard to get Jesus to submit and give in to temptation to use His divinity, but he did not. Even man mocked him, asking if he is truly God, why does he not call down the angels to take him off of the cross. He didn't.

The question you have deals with subordination, it is a Theological discussion still going on, even with Theological scholars. Some say that Jesus made himself subordinate to the Father while on earth. Others say He makes himself eternally subordinate to the Father. They are of equal essence, the same being, but distinct. I know this is very hard to grasp, but you can rest in the fact, it is hard for all of us. About Jesus asking the Father to remove the cup from Him. Jesus was human, and God, he had human emotions, feelings, but he was sinless. This is why He was qualified to be our redeemer. He gave himself for those who would believe, under submission to the perfect grace of God. He wasn't excited about what He knew He must do. This scripture shows us how gracious Jesus was in His submission to what had to be done by the sovereign will of the Father. Confused yet?

 

[Fulltruthministry]

I'm still finding this hard to get around. If Jesus is God in the flesh why is he called the son of God? if he is God in the flesh why did he need to pray while on earth and why did he ask God to "remove this cup from me"? was he backing out of his own plan?

Your statement answers your question:
You said:
IF JESUS IS GOD IN THE FLESH
so you need learning; keep reading your bible and praying:
I will say whats in my heart:

Jesus is God in the flesh because God is the FATHER AND THE SON
Thus He was the SON and the FATHER IN THE FLESH
Yet the Father was still on the throne; He doesnt loose any of Himself:
BUT:
JESUS HAD THE FULL MEASURE OF THE FATHER:
That made HIM GOD IN THE FLESH:
Since God is the SON AND THE FATHER:
The Father is the head of the Son:
Thats GOD: THE SON AND THE FATHER:

David said: God thy God has anointed thee above thy fellows: JESUS:
The higherst place in the Father;
Jesus is the word that God created through; thus everthing must be kept in HIM: ITS JUST
God cant be unjust to HIMSELF

Thus JESUS IS ONE WITH THE FATHER
GOD
The Father is the Head:
The FATHER WAS in Jesus with FULL MEASURE
ANd since JESUS WAS THE WORD: OR THE SON
HE WAS GOD IN THE FLESH
Because His flesh embodied the presence of the Son and the Father;
Thus;
God is with us:



John 3:34

New International Version (NIV)

34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God[a] gives the Spirit without limit.



John 3:34

King James Version (KJV)


34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.


Yet the Father is still on the throne; He doesnt loose any of Himself when He gives Himself; and since He ALLOWED HIS Word to come to earth; as God in the flesh; the FATHER ALSO CAME IN THAT SON of the living GOD


God gave elijah a portion of His Spirit;
Do we think that God lost that part of Himself; I THINK NOT
And then Elisha got a double portion of that same Spirit:
So we see that the FATHER gave Himself out by measure:
BUT JESUS had the Full presence of the Father from which He came:
GOD IN THE FLESH
THE FATHER AND THE SON

Psalm 45:7

King James Version (KJV)


7Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.



GOD THY GOD
The Son and the FATHER:
With the Father being the Head of the Son;
And in JESUS WE too will be one with the Father: AMEN

I pray that this helped; and i hope that your question was serious; we cant play with God thinking we are wise; and expect to find Him; We must trust Him; for there is reason behind the things that men mock: So they mock themselves: Be blessed and seek life; BLess you forever

 

[Emmy]

Dear MrMoe. While Jesus lived on Earth, He was all Man. Try to look at it like this. When Mankind needed a Sacrifice to pay God`s Holy Law, there was no-one left without sin or wrongdoing, and God could have given up on us. But God loves us, and God provided the perfect Sacrifice. We know that God is all Ghost, God is everywhere and God sees everything, in fact God is Almighty. God chose a worthy Virgin as the perfect Vessel to bring forth God-Son. Mary brought forth Jesus, perfectly human as Mary herself was. Jesus was human as we are. While Jesus was on Earth, He told us: " Unless ye believe as children do,ye will not enter God`s Kingdom. Jesus became our Saviour, Jesus died that we might live, and Jesus is now with God, where He pleads our prayers, Jesus is our Intercessor. When Jesus went back to God, He told His disciples: " The Father and I, we will send the Holy Spirit to finish the work wich I began." God-Father, God-Son, and God-Holy-Spirit, three persons, BUT ONE HOLY GOD. God who made us in His image, Jesus who died that we might live, and the Holy Spirit, who is in the world now, to finish the work which Jesus began: Man`s Redemption. I say this with love, MrMoe. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[Harry3142]

MrMoe-

The following passage should help you sort out what's happening:

But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. (I Corinthians 15:20-28,NIV)