God, all good and almighty, and evil, for Arminians.

[GoldenKingGaze]

I am not sure if you understand my question. My question is not about "who is responsible, what is moral, better, worse" and similar.

My question is purely logical, philosophical - if our actions are certain, how are they free?

If I was a baseball player and you were batting, I would try to anticipate you, to get you to miss my pitch. But I do not control you by anticipating. God sees everything, but doesn't fully control everything, especially in our hearts. Cosmic events are under God's control but not your decisions.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

When God sends prophecies, He is not Going to force it to happen, sometimes He is part of it, but sometimes He simply sees the end from the beginning.

 

[solid_core]

If I was a baseball player and you were batting, I would try to anticipate you, to get you to miss my pitch. But I do not control you by anticipating. God sees everything, but doesn't fully control everything, especially in our hearts. Cosmic events are under God's control but not your decisions.

But God is not "real time" reacting to us, He knew everything before our creation, no?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

But God is not "real time" reacting to us, He knew everything before our creation, no?

God approached Moses to kill him, because his wife would not allow circumcision of his son. But she reacted when she saw this, and did the cutting and Moses lived.

God would seem to respond like us and also sees everything in time all at once, from the ever present outside space time.

Here are some Bible quotes.

1Sa_16:7 (Brenton) But the Lord said to Samuel, Look not on his appearance, nor on his stature, for I have rejected him; for God sees not as man looks; for man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart.

Ecc_3:11 (ASV) He hath made everything beautiful in its time: also he hath set eternity in their heart, yet so that man cannot find out the work that God hath done from the beginning even to the end.

Isa_46:10 (ASV) declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure;

 

[solid_core]

God approached Moses to kill him, because his wife would not allow circumcision of his son. But she reacted when she saw this, and did the cutting and Moses lived.

God would seem to respond like us and also sees everything in time all at once, from the ever present outside space time.

Here are some Bible quotes.

1Sa_16:7 (Brenton) But the Lord said to Samuel, Look not on his appearance, nor on his stature, for I have rejected him; for God sees not as man looks; for man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart.

Ecc_3:11 (ASV) He hath made everything beautiful in its time: also he hath set eternity in their heart, yet so that man cannot find out the work that God hath done from the beginning even to the end.

Isa_46:10 (ASV) declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure;

I think these are antropomorphisms. People did not know how to express it so they used common language.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

I think these are antropomorphisms. People did not know how to express it so they used common language.

God is the original, He made us in His image and likeness and relates to us at our level, especially in the Christ, and is also transcendent. It is ambivalent.