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Global Warming

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by doubtingmerle, Jul 21, 2012.

Should we do something about global warming?

  1. No, global warming is a hoax.

  2. We don't know for sure, so don't worry about it.

  3. Yawn. Perhaps.

  4. Yes, this is serious.

Multiple votes are allowed.
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  1. CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN

    CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN CT Scans shows my dad's cancer is gone.

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    We can plant trees in our yard, might help a little. Right. And plant plenty of plants. I heard somewhere that was supposed to help.
     
  2. durangodawood

    durangodawood Dis Member

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    Opinions are like onions. They make me cry.
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    Opinion in matters like this is worthless unless you have expertise.
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  3. CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN

    CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN CT Scans shows my dad's cancer is gone.

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    I think it's a little of both. I think the effects of global warming would happen anyways, but men an woman make it worse. Anyways I believe God will take care of it.
     
  4. brewmama

    brewmama Senior Veteran

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    I guess you missed all the mass hysteria in the 1970's when the earth was threatened by global cooling, and scientists were coming up with all kinds of schemes to warm the earth.
     
  5. USincognito

    USincognito Milk-Bones for Cerberus is a cool album name Supporter

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    Actually, that's a popular press myth promoted by deniers. There's some (two) infamous covers of Time and Newsweek that promoted an impending ice age, but they should be taken as seriously as announcements that UFOs were visiting us.

    There was no mass hysteria and your claim about scientists coming up with "all kinds of schemes to warm the earth" is a flat out falsehood. Climate scientists have been concerned about warming based climate change since the 1960s.
     
  6. brewmama

    brewmama Senior Veteran

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    Sorry, but Time and Newsweek were not thought of as The National Enquirer back then. And scientists were concocting grandiose schemes that might help to keep the earth warmer. The "deniers" are on your side.
     
  7. Phileas

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    They're not exactly peer-review either. Anyway, if you decide to continue down this line of arguement you might as well know it's a well known PRATT that has been thoroughly debunked for several years now.

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    Study debunks 'global cooling' concern of '70s - USATODAY.com
     
  8. Paradoxum

    Paradoxum Liberty, Equality, Solidarity!

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    So I assume most climate scientists agree with you if you are so sure?

    "Indeed they did. At least, a handful of scientific papers discussed the possibility of a new ice age at some point in the future, leading to some pretty sensational media coverage."

    "The calls for action to prevent further human-induced global warming, by contrast, are based on an enormous body of research by thousands of scientists over more than a century that has been subjected to intense - and sometimes ferocious - scrutiny. According to the latest IPCC report, it is more than 90% certain that the world is already warming as a result of human activity."

    Climate myths: They predicted global cooling in the 1970s - environment - 16 May 2007 - New Scientist
     
  9. Drekkan85

    Drekkan85 Immortal until proven otherwise

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    Time and Newsweek aren't peer reviewed publications, and their source wasn't a peer-reviewed publication - it was a random quote by a single scientist.

    For the intents and purposes of finding out what "scientists" thought, they WERE as accurate as the National Enquirer.

    In this field peer review is a necessary but not sufficient criteria - if your work hasn't been peer reviewed and published then it's not applicable. If your viewpoint relies on books, blogs, magazines, websites, and TV weathermen and not peer reviewed data your opinion is worthless.
     
  10. durangodawood

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    See what I mean?
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    People bring up idiocies like "global cooling" which they could have sorted out for themselves if they were interested in reality rather than preserving an ideology.
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    Its similar to evolution. How many times can one discuss the "lack of transitional fossils" or whatever before realizing the "debate" isnt about science. Its about personal ideological attachments that trump everything.
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    Last edited: Jul 23, 2012
  11. Malachi88

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    Why freak yourself out over something you can not control. If it were so easy to change billions of minds than there would no longer be abortions, war, or people who smoke ext. Unfortunately out world is very selfish now. We have all become spoiled. Speaking for myself as well. That is why we must pray for change. In my opinion it is only getting worse everywhere. So it leads me to believe the end is near. Which is what we need. However I feel it would be sad for our Lord to come, when this world is still in shambles. He deserves a better welcoming than that. But the question is ....how do you change billions of minds?
     
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  13. Wolseley

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    Ah, AGW. The latest version of LCLS, or Liberal Chicken Little Syndrome™; it requires having something to be terrified out of your mind about that will never come to pass. Previous manifestations:

    1950s---nuclear war.

    1960s---overpopulation.

    1970s---global pollution.

    1980s---ozone depletion.

    1990s---deforestation, water shortages.

    2000s---global warming/climate change.

    Don't fret, kids; ten years from now it'll be something totally different. The doomsayers have predicted the end of the world more times than back issues of The Watchtower, and nothing has happened yet.

    When in danger or in doubt
    Run in circles, scream and shout.
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  14. freezerman2000

    freezerman2000 Living and dying in 3/4 time

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    So, If my source is wrong to you, then your source is wrong to me...

    Tell me, if the temps have been stable over the time you said, why was there a warming, then a drastic cooling within the last 1000 years?
     
  15. durangodawood

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    We did a hell of a lot politically to make sure it didnt happen. Not a false alarm there.
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    Ongoing chronic problem. No one thinks its the "end of the world".
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    No one thought it was the "end of the world". BUT it was considered important enough that we acted globally in the form of effective treaties to drastically reduce the most harmful emissions. This tale might have a different ending had we done nothing.
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    "End of the world"??? No one thought that. Yet still an ongoing problem.
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    A real problem, just like all of the above.
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  16. drstevej

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    "This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."
     
  17. KimberlyAA

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    Since so much damage has been done and will continue to be done, there's very little we can do. I think the best way to reduce the effect would be to use cleaner energy generation such as photovoltaics, wind, wave, OTEC etc. for electricity needs. I don't see electric cars or exhaust gas recirculation being widespread internationally any time soon except in places like Brasil. Many people say petroleum is running out. Petroleum can be generated from sewage by the concentrating of sewage sludge, digestion by alkalis and heating under pressure to produce long-chain hydrocarbons of crude oil. It's quite an energy efficient process. The petrol can then be obtained from fractional distillation. Researchers have also carried out experiments in converting coal to crude oil around a 6 year period. They said :
    Crude oil is also being formed under the ocean now in the waters of the Gulf Of California :
    These might provide some hope for future generations but petrol still releases harmful gases so I think it would be best if it's use was minimized. After studying these things as an environmental science student, you realize how much it's difficult to implement alternative energy sources due to cost implications, geographical and topographical location of communities and constancy of the energy source. Looks like things are only gonna get worse including climate conditions.
     
  18. doubtingmerle

    doubtingmerle I'll think about it. Supporter

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    And should we also dump raw sewage into rivers, expecting God to take care of it for the folks downstream?

    And should we just let mold accumulate in our kitchens, figuring God will take care of it?

    I would think God wants us to take care of this world. Filling the earth with pollutants, and saying God will take care of it does not seem wise.
     
  19. doubtingmerle

    doubtingmerle I'll think about it. Supporter

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    Ah yes I certainly did miss that.

    Oh, and you missed it too, right?

    Do you have any evidence of mass hysteria about global cooling?

    See RealClimate: The global cooling myth .
     
  20. drjean

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    I voted it as a hoax because I agree, my real answer is what he said :)

    To terrorize the world, make some of the countries tow the line while others don't... well, from what I have read and investigated, it's a political ploy.

    Back in the early 1800s countries of the world had a meeting to try and find something to bring the New America under control... and they voted on making the environment an issue... something no one would fear or be against (taking care of it.)

    To take the world's position regarding this isn't trusting God, imo. I recall when we were terrorized (modern term for it) about the coming ICE AGE. I doubt they meant the movie sequels. ;)

    To imagine that we haven't taken care of God's creation.... implies, to me, a Deist view. That's ok I guess, just not mine. To imply that we are running out of resources does irk me though, because that means that my Sovereign God failed to count on their being some 14 million people to have lived, like he forgot to make enough. No, there is plenty... it's just that those who wish to control the world won't let all the nations USE what resources they have.

    For every "global warming" figure, there is at least one "non" global warming. By taking a course in college on statistics I learned full well how stats are manipulated. Include in that manipulation the possibility of a goal of not telling the whole truth, and voila' we have a fearful, Godless world view.

    For instance, while the ice melt on one side of the North / Pole might be less... the ice expanse on the other grew... and in another case, the ice is much deeper than it was before. As for the heat, yes, it's hot all over in the US right now...but we also just had record cold temperatures too...

    Anyway, God tells me not to fear, He is in control. I just have to trust Him on this. :hug:
     
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