Global Warming is a Scam

[PsychoSarah]

There first needs to be evidence that CO2 induces Global Warming before we know we have a true problem . Until then it is all hype, disinformation, and flat out poor science.

The data shows natural continuation of the warming period recovery from the LIA. Nothing else.

Additional atmospheric CO2 has been inferred to be a problem by its radiation GHG properties. But no problem is observed. Besides wild propaganda: polar bears, polar vortex, etc.

We are not jumping when the Dupsters say jump. Now you, you are tap dancing.

Why do you care to argue about this considering that preventing CO2 emissions lessens the release of chemicals no one informed about pollution would argue are safe, such as lead.

 

[Heissonear]

Do you really want to see the effect of a GHG? Look at the figure in the attached.

US Short On Greenhouse Gases Tonight | Real Science

Low moisture and low sun inclination produced massive US cooling. The evidence is displayed. This is real world radiation physics.

But it is all natural. Do not factor how natural factors control our climate and weather. Don't claim CO2 DOES UNTIL evidence is found in the real world earth-atmosphere system.

 

[DogmaHunter]

There first needs to be evidence that CO2 induces Global Warming before we know we have a true problem .

1. it's a green house gas. what do you expect to happen when we pump tons of that gas into the atmosphere??

2. better safe then sorry

Until then it is all hype, disinformation, and flat out poor science.

"until then"? We passed that point a long time ago. Just because you refuse to accept it and/or prefer to listen to the conspiracy nutjobs and oil lobbyists, that won't change reality...

 

[PsychoSarah]

Do you really want to see the effect of a GHG? Look at the figure in the attached.

US Short On Greenhouse Gases Tonight | Real Science

Low moisture and low sun inclination produced massive US cooling. The evidence is displayed. This is real world radiation physics.

But it is all natural. Do not factor how natural factors control our climate and weather. Don't claim CO2 DOES UNTIL evidence is found in the real world earth-atmosphere system.

Sir, nothing we can control that produces CO2 doesn't produce other, obviously toxic compounds.

 

[AV1611VET]

If everybody thought like you did, then the world would have been incinirated during the cold war in a nuclear holocaust.

Not hardly.

Maybe you need to read the words to my favorite hymn from my profile.

Just reading the words gives me goose bumps.

 

[hurste1951]

There first needs to be evidence that CO2 induces Global Warming

As Dogma noted this has been proven. In fact without any greenhouse gases an atmosphere of only O2 and N2 would result in the surface of the earth essentially have a temperature the same as the blackbody radiation of the solid earth, which is about 30degC lower than our average surface temperature.

So consider that evidence that CO2 induces global warming. It does.

before we know we have a true problem . Until then it is all hype, disinformation, and flat out poor science.

There is no poor science on the side that accepts that CO2 molecules absorb in the IR. Where does that energy go?

The data shows natural continuation of the warming period recovery from the LIA. Nothing else.

Actually we should have been starting in on the cooling for the next glacial advance. But we aren't. If it's all natural cycles why aren't we cooling?

We are not jumping when the Dupsters say jump. Now you, you are tap dancing.

So far most of the points you've attempted to raise with your hyperbolic rhetoric have been questioned or outright shot down. You repeatedly rely on denialist blogs and sensationalist news outlets for your points.

That is the problem. If anyone is agenda driven on here and if anyone is hyping anything it isn't those of us on the AGW side.

 

[Heissonear]

The earth has not increased in temperature for over 18 years. Hummm.

This is claimed to be a "pause" by promoters of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming.

CAGW is a hypothesis. It has not been "proven".

Until Global Warming is proven the past 18 years has not been a "pause". It has been due to natural factors and their variabilities.

 

[hurste1951]

The earth has not increased in temperature for over 18 years. Hummm.

Interestingly enough when you look at DECADE-LONG BLOCKS OF TIME you see that every decade for the last 30 years has been successively warmer than the previous decade.

And yet October of this year (2014) is on track to be the warmest on record. Warmest on record (October in a Tie As Warmest on Record. But What About that Global Warming Hiatus? - ImaGeo | DiscoverMagazine.com)

CAGW is a hypothesis. It has not been "proven".

Until Global Warming is proven the past 18 years has not been a "pause". It has been due to natural factors and their variabilities.

It has been noted before that this pause is not really "new". There have been previous pauses before in the 20th century.

Yet when one pays attention to the entire record here's how impressive that "pause" looks:

 

[Heissonear]

CO2 flux in atmosphere through model.

But CO2 has not showed any sign of Global Warming - all still seen through natural processes, even no increase in 18 years.

NASA Shows Stark Year in the Life of Gas Causing Global Warming [Video] - Scientific American

Nothing stark about it. NASA has become Dupsters. CO2 hasn't caused AGW and isn't a pollutant, it is used by plants.

 

[hurste1951]

CO2 flux in atmosphere through model.

Incorrect. It is being measured directly.

But CO2 has not showed any sign of Global Warming - all still seen through natural processes, even no increase in 18 years.

Again, incorrect. CO2 is a known greenhouse gas that absorbs in the IR region. The energy has to go somewhere. It cannot just "disappear". In fact the energy is still building up even during the past 18 years. There is ANOTHER sink you may not be familiar with. It's called the OCEAN.

 

[Heissonear]

They are piling up. It is a wonder what a Global Warming Pause will do in bringing out scientific trash excuses.

NOV 19

Updated list of 66 excuses for the 18-26 year 'pause' in global warming

"If you can't explain the 'pause', you can't explain the cause"

A list of all 66:

THE HOCKEY SCHTICK: Updated list of 66 excuses for the 18-26 year 'pause' in global warming

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[hurste1951]

They are piling up. It is a wonder what a Global Warming Pause will do in bringing out scientific trash excuses.




A list of all 66:

THE HOCKEY SCHTICK: Updated list of 66 excuses for the 18-26 year 'pause' in global warming

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I am sorry to hear that you hate science so much. You must certainly allow professional scientists to propose HYPOTHESES. That is how science works.

If you don't like science and don't want to know how science works why do you feel it appropriate to post screed upon screed against science?

Don't you think people who know how science works should be allowed to do science without your hyperventilation?

 

[Heissonear]

The list of "reasons for The Pause" are accumulating.

There is a major cause. But such is illusive to the most knowledgeable CAGW climatologists.

Somehow the "Settled Science" went to "Unsettled Science".

The theatrics in the CO2 induce Global Warming push are having to explain what should have never happened.

When will the CAGW industry fess up?

Maybe 10% of them by reason #12734. A lot of twisting data to fit their hypothesis until then.

 

[Heissonear]

Why do we not hear of "balance" in what increased CO2 in earth's atmosphere will do to the earth?

Why have we heard of only detrimental and catastrophic things to come about by increased CO2 in our atmosphere?

Why do we get "a constant bombardment" of things such as in the link below?

sustainability news: Climate change, species extinctions and tipping points

 

[hurste1951]

Why do we not hear of "balance" in what increased CO2 in earth's atmosphere will do to the earth?

Actually such studies DO exist, not that you care about "facts", but they do. You can see some here:

Parmesan C (2006) Annu Rev Ecol Evol Syst 37:637–669

Long SP , Ainsworth EA , Leakey ADB , Nosberger J , Ort DR (2006) Science 312:1918–1921.

Long SP , Ainsworth EA , Rogers A , Ort DR (2004) Annu Rev Plant Biol 55:591–628.

Walther GR (2004) Perspect Plant Ecol Evol Syst 6:169–185

But you probably here more about the known real damages due to increased CO2 levels.

Not just warming but when it comes to plants, insects like beetles eat more plants at high CO2 levels:
Insects take a bigger bite out of plants in a warmer, higher carbon dioxide world

But by all means do act like none of this information isn't immediately available to anyone who has even a modest ability to type a Google search. Wouldn't want anyone to be "duped" would we?

 

[FreeinChrist]

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[AceHero]

They have twisted the science to promote dire catastrophic predictions. They are Agenda rather than Science Driven.

I think you're thinking of people like the Koch brothers and the energy industry lobbyists who will do anything to discredit the reality of climate change in order to protect their pollution-causing industries.

 

[Heissonear]

I think you're thinking of people like the Koch brothers and the energy industry lobbyists who will do anything to discredit the reality of climate change in order to protect their pollution-causing industries.

There is deception at all levels about Man-made Global Warming.

However, I'm talking about from scientific groups.

Let's take one specific example. The link below shows he scale of how the oceans will not take in "Global Warming amount of heat" because of basic physics amount of heat capacity and for this overly simplistic reason the oceans will not warm by the additional man induced +150 ppm CO2 in the atmosphere. But leading University and National Science Groups have presented this.

Relating such to current scientific publication, the link below references leading climatologist scientific paper on erroneous physics, void of presenting the obvious - the heat capacity of the oceans. That would be called "twisting science" would it not?

If you really want to learn about twisted science dive into this particular matter on pseudoscience from leading climate scientist at Univ & Nat science Groups.

The Tempering Effect of the Oceans on Global Warming | Watts Up With That?


And the link below only one of many producing such misinformation:

http://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2014/hiatuses-in-the-rise-of-temperature/


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[Heissonear]

Even the politics at the highest level in the U.S. are not laying their cards on the table.

Look at the link below.

China Needs 1,000 Nuclear Reactors to Fulfill Its Climate Pledge - Bloomberg

Are we worried about the Koch brothers? Think again. The corruption of the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming is at every level.

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[fargonic]

Even the politics at the highest level in the U.S. are not laying their cards on the table.

My brother, are we not called to do right regardless of what others are doing? China must do what China feels it must do, but how will it impact OUR need to be good stewards of God's gift of the Earth to us?

"And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it."

Are we worried about the Koch brothers? Think again.

The Koch Brothers serve Mammon. Must we all serve Mammon? Who is more likely to be telling the truth? The rich man whose businesses are centered around burning fossil fuels?

The corruption of the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming is at every level.

I feel that much of your threads are dedicated to sitting in judgement of others. You find corruption wherever you look and call people names. Your anger is eating you up. You have a lighter soul than this. Must you bathe it in darkness?

Is there no other way to feel good? Your anger is hard to bear and hard to watch. Remember who YOU serve, the Lord of Light.

You are asked by Him who created you to take care of the Garden in which you find yourself. You are asked not to judge lest ye be judged. You may fight against wrong but to go on a screed against people just because they believe differently than you serves no one but to make your days a bit darker.

Look to the light!