Global warming devastates America

[Chesterton]

You don't really want to debate anything, do you? Are you here just to express your pre-conceived views then?

Yes, I do want to debate, and yes I want to express my views.

Why does being an animal preclude you from using reason and empathy?

That's an excellent question to be directed at you, but not at me, because I don't believe I'm wholly animal.

 

[Loudmouth]

That's an excellent question to be directed at you, but not at me, because I don't believe I'm wholly animal.

You are the one who thinks that being an animal precludes you from having reason, logic, and empathy, not I. I am asking why you think that is. Why can't you have humanity and also be an animal? Why can't you be an organism that is complex, ingests food, moves about, and responds to stimuli while also being human? What is it about those 4 simple things that stops you from using your brain to see the effect that your actions will have on future generations.

 

[CabVet]

Yes, I do want to debate, and yes I want to express my views.

There hasn't been any debate so far. The moment we ask a question you deflect or change the subject.

 

[gungasnake]

Here's what we're talking about:

Basic Information

Of the most important greenhouse gases, water vapor and clouds are by far the most important. Carbon dioxide comes in a distant second and man-caused carbon dioxide is hardly a blip on the scale.

 

[gungasnake]

Global Monitor: Russia Puts the Global Warming Treaty in the Deep Freeze | Population Research Institute

In the end, Russian President Vladimir Putin decided that he did not want to condemn Russia to perpetual poverty.

At the U.N. World Climate change Conference, held in Moscow September 29–October 3, Putin’s government shocked the global warming crowd by announcing that Russia did not intend to ratify the Kyoto Protocol on climate change. Even worse for the climate scaremongers, Russian scientists one after another attacked the notion that there was anything like a “scientific consensus” on whether the earth was heating up and, if so, what to do about it.

As in: Боже храни Владимира Путина!!

How many times does that make that Russia has saved the Western world from something or other truly awful? I mean, can you even picture a world in which Sweden was a major power?? Tsar Peter saved us all from that.

 

[Viren]

Here's what we're talking about:

Basic Information

I'm not sure where you got under 1%. I've always seen CO2 change of around 25%.

 

[Chesterton]

Beck - The New Pollution - YouTube

 

[USincognito]

Recent Russian elections have been much more straight up and believable than ours have. Do actually believe there could be such a thing as a voting precinct around Philly in which Romney and Ryan don't get a single vote??

The way districts and precincts are gerrymandered, it would be no surprise. It also helps to look at the math and demographics rather than just read a headline on Wingnut Daily or The Blaze.
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Individual precincts. There are demographic and polling factors that one can actually look at and take into consideration rather than generalizing, speculating or worse (as some in this thread have done) screamed voter fraud without knowing even the most basic details.

Check out this post where I looked at the numbers for Coyahoga Co. Ohio.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7701900/#post61764383
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_bo...ts2012/11062012UnofficialResultsbyContest.HTM

UNITED STATES PRESIDENT/VICE PRESIDENT
Vote for not more than 1
(WITH 1077 OF 1077 PRECINCTS COUNTED)
Stewart Alexander/Alex Mendoza (SOC) . 209 .03
Richard Duncan/Ricky Johnson . . . . 591 .10
Virgil Goode/Jim Clymer (CON). . . . 513 .08
Gary Johnson/James P. Gray (LIB). . . 3,281 .54
Barack Obama/Joe Biden (DEM) . . . . 420,953 68.74
Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan (REP) . . . . 184,475 30.12
Jill Stein/Cheri Honkala (GRE) . . . 1,490 .24
WRITE IN. . . . . . . . . . . 903 .15
Over Votes . . . . . . . . . 1,468
Under Votes . . . . . . . . . 3,258

How is 68.74% 99%?

eta - Ooops, misread the what the OP pertains to. Here's a link to the breakdown by precinct and there are a number where Romney/Ryan numbers are very small.
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_bo...s2012/11062012UnofficialResultsbyPrecinct.HTM
Most of them seem to be in the city of Cleveland itself, so I'm going to do a bit more digging...

eta2 - Looking at the census data for a particular part of Cleaveland - Ward 2, where precinct 2Q produced 0 Romney/Ryan votes - it looks like these results are demographic.

http://urban.csuohio.edu/nodis/2000reports/2000SF3_profs/wards/ward2.pdf

|Total Population: 22,937 303
| White Alone 2,973 88
| Black/African American Alone 19,668 112​

First number is total, second are those claiming Hispanic or Latino affiliation.

For the entire ward, it appears that blacks outnumber whites 20:3, so it should not be mindblowing for one of those precincts to be majority black and with blacks polling 95% for Obama/Biden resulting on 0 or a handful of votes for Romney/Ryan.

 

[gungasnake]

I'm not sure where you got under 1%. I've always seen CO2 change of around 25%.

This particular source is saying that the human contribution to global CO2 is under 1%. That isn't much different from most of what I've read.

 

[gungasnake]

(The Library of Alexandria) questioned the permanence of the stars, but did not question the justice of slavery - Carl Sagan in Cosmos

In those days, being a slave was just another job description. It was what low information voters did for a living.

 

[CabVet]

In those days, being a slave was just another job description. It was what low information voters did for a living.

Slaves voting?

 

[gungasnake]

The way districts and precincts are gerrymandered....

Ever wonder how states like Ohio, Florida, or Pennsylvania whose state houses are overwhelmingly Republican still vote for bad dem candidates for president or how a place like Louisiana would have a dem US senator?

Basically, what I think is going on, is that they can manufacture all the votes they want in places like Dade county or Philly and it won't buy them a state house, the Republicans will still win their own districts. It's only in a statewide or national election that vote manufacturing buys anything.

 

[gungasnake]

Slaves voting?

At Athenian town meetings, it was only the Scythian slaves who were armed. The only possible interpretation of that is that being an Athenian slave was so far above being a Scythian that it wasn't even worth thinking about.

You cannot try to project 20'th and 21'st centurty values into past ages, nothing you see will make sense.

 

[CabVet]

At Athenian town meetings, it was only the Scythian slaves who were armed. The only possible interpretation of that is that being an Athenian slave was so far above being a Scythian that it wasn't even worth thinking about.

You cannot try to project 20'th and 21'st centurty values into past ages, nothing you see will make sense.

Sorry to disappoint you, but slaves never voted, in any society, at any time.

 

[USincognito]

In those days, being a slave was just another job description. It was what low information voters did for a living.

And these days negative information voters post to the Internet.

 

[USincognito]

Ever wonder how states like Ohio, Florida, or Pennsylvania whose state houses are overwhelmingly Republican still vote for bad dem candidates for president or how a place like Louisiana would have a dem US senator?

No. But I do wonder why people get their butts handed to them in Internet discussions, then pretend it never happened and continue to post the same debunked stuff over and over or try and change the subject. Perhaps they are immune to correction or it's something deeper. Perhaps they're just trolling. Who knows, but I do wonder why they do it.

Basically, what I think is going on, is that they can manufacture all the votes they want in places like Dade county or Philly and it won't buy them a state house, the Republicans will still win their own districts. It's only in a statewide or national election that vote manufacturing buys anything.

Much like your assertions about the Neanderthal genome and electric universe, reality conflicts with your conspiracy theories. I'm not shocked in the least that you're posting such in a AGW thread as well.

 

[USincognito]

Here's what we're talking about:

How do human CO2 emissions compare to natural CO2 emissions?

Although our output of 29 gigatons of CO2 is tiny compared to the 750 gigatons moving through the carbon cycle each year, it adds up because the land and ocean cannot absorb all of the extra CO2. About 40% of this additional CO2 is absorbed. The rest remains in the atmosphere, and as a consequence, atmospheric CO2 is at its highest level in 15 to 20 million years (Tripati 2009). (A natural change of 100ppm normally takes 5,000 to 20,000 years. The recent increase of 100ppm has taken just 120 years).​

So, tell us what has caused the increase of atmospheric CO[sub]2[/sub] in the last 120 years if not human activity when the natural time frame for that amount is 42 to 167 times as long?

 

[Chesterton]

You are the one who thinks that being an animal precludes you from having reason, logic, and empathy, not I. I am asking why you think that is. Why can't you have humanity and also be an animal? Why can't you be an organism that is complex, ingests food, moves about, and responds to stimuli while also being human? What is it about those 4 simple things that stops you from using your brain to see the effect that your actions will have on future generations.

You're asking why can't I? I'm asking why should I?

Besides, what has posterity ever done for me? My descendants didn't even call me from the future to wish me happy birthday.

 

[BaconWizard]

My descendants didn't even call me from the future to wish me happy birthday.

Maybe they did, and they called him Jesus.

 

[gattaca]

there's still no snow here in Sweden, most ski places are desperate because of the lack of snow.

The water in a bay in the island of Lovund, Norway froze so fast that it killed thousands of fish instantly.

Guys, It Was So Cold In Norway Last Weekend That A School Of Fish Froze In Place (PHOTO)