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Global Warming and Lands That Will FLOOD in Our Lifetime

Discussion in 'Creation & Theistic Evolution' started by Paradox.79, Jul 23, 2021.

  1. chad kincham

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    It doesn’t cause, and cannot cause, catastrophic global warming .

    Clouds are 95% of the greenhouse effect. CO2 is a mere 4%.

    Of the amount of CO2 that naturally occurs from volcanos and the oceans, which we have no control over, our percentage of CO2 output is minuscule.

    Our carbon output has zero effect on the earth’s temperature.

    The greenhouse effect takes place in the upper atmosphere, as clouds and some gases trap reflected heat in that layer - thus when there is a temperature increase from the greenhouse effect, the increase in temperature goes from the top down.

    There is no temperature increase occurring from the greenhouse gas/clouds layer of the atmosphere downwards - satellite and weather balloon data show it is occurring from the surface upwards - which is backwards to the required global warming from CO2 scenario.

    But we’re not supposed to know that inconvenient fact.
     
  2. chad kincham

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    This movie is very well done, and interviews climatogists, professors, researchers, and scientists on claims of anthropogenic global warming, and thoroughly exposes the propaganda about it:

     
  3. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    So you're saying that we should ignore the science, all the data from the past half-century, the consensus of scientists, because someone made a YouTube video?

    Well, I'm convinced. If it's on YouTube, it has to be true.

    What say you tell us what the most convincing argument therein would be, and we'll see what the data say?

    I'm guessing we won't see anything.
     
  4. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    "An iceberg hit couldn't have sunk the Titanic,since 95% of the hull was intact, and only 4% of the hull was opened up."

    Would a 4% rise in global temperature be a problem? Yes, it turns out that it is.

    And you're dead wrong about clouds. They actually reduce warming. Water vapor, not clouds, increase warming. So does methane, and so does carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide is surprisingly effective,because it absorbs infrared radiation at frequencies other greenhouse gases do not.

    The effect was predicted over a hundred years ago, and validated by subsequent rise in temperatures following rises in atmospheric carbon dioxide. Dr. Hanson, of NASA, accurately called the warming rate decades ahead of the fact, using only carbon dioxide levels.

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  5. Isaiah 41:10

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    I would recommend learning the basics before trying to hold this conversation.

    Meet the Greenhouse Gases!

    CO2 prevents some of the sun's infrared energy, which produces heat, from returning to space.

    The more CO2 in the atmosphere, the more energy and heat retained in the atmosphere. And CO2 can last in our atmosphere for hundreds of years, so it gradually adds up over time as we emit it.

    It's that simple.

    We emit at least an average of an order of magnitude greater CO2 than volcanoes emit, each year. Meaning that volcanoes CO2 output is actually miniscule in comparison to ours. You have it backwards.

    Are Volcanoes or Humans Harder on the Atmosphere?

    "According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors."

    "Another indication that human emissions dwarf those of volcanoes is the fact that atmospheric CO2 levels, as measured by sampling stations around the world set up by the federally funded Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center, have gone up consistently year after year regardless of whether or not there have been major volcanic eruptions in specific years. “If it were true that individual volcanic eruptions dominated human emissions and were causing the rise in carbon dioxide concentrations, then these carbon dioxide records would be full of spikes—one for each eruption,” says Coby Beck, a journalist writing for online environmental news portal Grist.org. “Instead, such records show a smooth and regular trend.”"

    And oceans absorb CO2, the opposite of what you're suggesting.
     
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  6. The Barbarian

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    It should be noted that major volcanic eruptions actually have a cooling effect on the atmosphere, primarily from the amount of oxidized sulfur pumped into the upper atmosphere:

    When Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines blew in 1991, it pumped 17 million tons of SO2 into the atmosphere and caused an approximate 0.6 degrees Celsius cooling effect in the Northern Hemisphere in 1992 and 1993, writes Scientific American.
    Volcanic eruptions can cool the planet | DW | 27.11.2017
     
  7. JulieB67

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    I trust in this,

    Genesis 8:22 "While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
     
  8. Isaiah 41:10

    Isaiah 41:10 Well-Known Member

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    There's nothing concerning about cold and heat, summer and winter. What is concerning is when there is too much cold, too little cold, too much heat or too little heat. Summer and winter are fine until they bring extremes in temperatures. And the sun can keep on shining, but if it's 120° out, that sunshine may not be ideal for us.
     
  9. MMXX

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    My great-grandchildren will probably be having this same argument.
     
  10. The Barbarian

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    Just with higher temperatures, different coastlines, and much more um, interesting weather.

    Unless we figure something out fast.
     
  11. MMXX

    MMXX Brian

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    Like a Green New Deal and a Great Reset?
     
  12. The Barbarian

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    It's actually a bit late for reform. It's already on us. Gulf Coast, East Coast, and most of the American West is in for more severe weather. Bigger storms, more droughts, fires, and lots of land becoming less productive.

    Even if we start now. But we could make it less severe, and recovery would come sooner, if we stop doing stupid things.

    I'm not hopeful.
     
  13. MMXX

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    What stupid things do I need to stop doing?
     
  14. The Barbarian

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    Pretty much anything that dumps more carbon into the atmosphere than you need to do. But it's not going to work on a personal level. Things like carbon capture can allow us to still use fossil fuels. But we have to get the technology there.

    It's going to have to be another industrial revolution, one that must reduce and then reverse process. It's past the theory stage; we are now seeing economies falter and people die because of past excesses.

    Got a house on the Gulf Coast? Check your insurance costs. Live in New York? Subways are going to be flooded more often now. Farm in the high plains? Water, if it's available at all for irrigation, will be very expensive.

    Stuff like that. More snow in the winters. More unstable systems and bigger storms. Some places wetter, and some places drier. And often not in ways that are suitable for humans.
     
  15. MMXX

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    The thing with this is, I often read someone saying "we have to do something!" but no one seems to know what exactly. And whatever it is, isn't on a civic level. It's up to big industry and top government and therefore out of our hands. But at the same time, we have to do something!. And if the average citizen, who can't do anything, doesn't believe we're in danger - that's intolerable. They need to stop denying and start believing because, we have to do something - even though there's nothing we can do about it....
     
  16. Isaiah 41:10

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    Government is a piece of the puzzle, but it comes from the private sector too. Car manufacturers aren't government but they're making electric cars and renewables energy sources. But the everyday person can also play their role. Recycle when you can, invest in fuel efficient or even electric cars. Turn your home electric source to renewables (which is rather easy to do these days as a homeowner, and it's cheap too, I've found renewable energy to be cheaper than oil and gas in the new England region). Be mindful of who you vote for, if a politician denies climate change, they probably aren't going to help. Buy energy efficient appliances (goes along with a fuel efficient car). You could even look toward dietary practices such as eating less food sources that have larger carbon foot prints, such as beef or try bean burgers or plant based burgers as occasional alternatives (though nothing will ever truly replace a good juicy burger). Otherwise you can raise awareness of climate change issues so that others with more influence in government or in the private sector can weight in to help as well.

    On a larger scale, companies are investing in battery capacity advances, and improved green energy technology. It's all around us with advances in wind, solar, nuclear, battery tech, electric vehicle tech etc. All of these things help against climate change. In government we can tighten regulations on gas emissions. People hate the T word, but we can tax facilities for their carbon emissions and remove subsidies for carbon based fuels like coal. Remove exemptions and subsidies for oil, gas and coal environmental regulations. And instead give those exemptions and subsidies to renewables. Tighten pollution standards, reward federal contracts to renewable energy companies,

    There's a lot we can do, and these things are all simultaneously unfolding. And there's never such a thing as a person who "can't do anything". This is America, you can do things you might never have imagined, if you simply try. And if you need help, go join the people who are making the moves.
     
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