Giving back the promise land

[constant]

I wanted to start this thread to the get the opinions of others regarding Israel's decision to give back the Gaza strip.

1. Is there any biblical reference of a moment this dramatic discussed in the bible?

2. What do you think the retribution, if any at all, will befall Israel because of this decision?

3. Your thoughts on the fact that present day Gaza was once part of the tribe of Judah.

4. There is already talk that the Palestinians want the West Bank. Will they ever be satisfied?

5. Does this act push us into the 'final hours' of the end times?

 

[MethodMan]

I wanted to start this thread to the get the opinions of others regarding Israel's decision to give back the Gaza strip.

1. Is there any biblical reference of a moment this dramatic discussed in the bible?

No

2. What do you think the retribution, if any at all, will befall Israel because of this decision?

YES - but not from God


3. Your thoughts on the fact that present day Gaza was once part of the tribe of Judah.

So what?


4. There is already talk that the Palestinians want the West Bank. Will they ever be satisfied?

No

5. Does this act push us into the 'final hours' of the end times?

Not likely

 

[billwald]

Joshua 23
14. And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the Lord your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof.

In other words, God fulfilled all the earthly promises. His part of the deal is over.

15. Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the Lord your God promised you; so shall the Lord bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you.

In other words, God doesn't owe the biological Jews anything.

Since Christ, only people are holy. Dirt isn't holy. Geography isn't holy.

 

[Lotar]

I wanted to start this thread to the get the opinions of others regarding Israel's decision to give back the Gaza strip.

1. Is there any biblical reference of a moment this dramatic discussed in the bible?

No

2. What do you think the retribution, if any at all, will befall Israel because of this decision?

Maybe have a little better of a reputation before the international community.

3. Your thoughts on the fact that present day Gaza was once part of the tribe of Judah.

None. The old covenant is finished with, if the Holy Land belongs to any religion, it is to Christianity.

4. There is already talk that the Palestinians want the West Bank. Will they ever be satisfied?

Considering that is where they live, and that there land was forcibly taken from them, I don't suppose I would be either.

5. Does this act push us into the 'final hours' of the end times?

Only the Father knows, stop useless speculation.

 

[lismore]

2. What do you think the retribution, if any at all, will befall Israel because of this decision?

Israel was badgered into giving up land by Blair and Bush in the name of false peace. They cry 'peace, peace' where there is no peace. Thats where the retribution will fall. On the false prophets.

 

[bkhoward2001]

I wanted to start this thread to the get the opinions of others regarding Israel's decision to give back the Gaza strip.

1. Is there any biblical reference of a moment this dramatic discussed in the bible?

No

2. What do you think the retribution, if any at all, will befall Israel because of this decision?

YES - but not from God


3. Your thoughts on the fact that present day Gaza was once part of the tribe of Judah.

So what?


4. There is already talk that the Palestinians want the West Bank. Will they ever be satisfied?

No

5. Does this act push us into the 'final hours' of the end times?

Not likely

MethodMan,

I sense your apathy on this.... And I believe you are entirely wrong and one of the blind.. Open your Bible and see what is being fulfilled just as it said it would be..... to the letter.

 

[MethodMan]

MethodMan,

I sense your apathy on this.... And I believe you are entirely wrong and one of the blind.. Open your Bible and see what is being fulfilled just as it said it would be..... to the letter.

I have actually read the Bible and don't read things into it. What is your point about my apathy? That a Man-Made secular state know as Israel is some how linked to end-time? I think you are the one blinded here.

 

[constant]

Last time I checked that "secular state" was similar to the boundries of the promise land. And that "secular state" was founded by God's chosen people. I don't think one has to "read into their bible" to understand the importance of the Jews giving back the promise land. I don't need something spelled out for me to realize its importance. And if you don't think the Man Made state of Israel is going to be important in the end times then...well that reasoning just bafells me.

 

[MethodMan]

Last time I checked that "secular state" was similar to the boundries of the promise land. And that "secular state" was founded by God's chosen people. I don't think one has to "read into their bible" to understand the importance of the Jews giving back the promise land. I don't need something spelled out for me to realize its importance. And if you don't think the Man Made state of Israel is going to be important in the end times then...well that reasoning just bafells me.

1. Similar? Better get them maps out. Not even close.

2. The Zionist that were behind the creation of the secular nation that we know today are hardly God's choosen people.

 

[constant]

I have studied the maps and they are very similar. I don't see how someone could say they are not. And I'm not speaking of the so called "Zionist" you refer to. I'm talking about the Jews, God's chosen people, who currently reside in Israel.

 

[MethodMan]

I have studied the maps and they are very similar. I don't see how someone could say they are not. And I'm not speaking of the so called "Zionist" you refer to. I'm talking about the Jews, God's chosen people, who currently reside in Israel.

A few might be actual Jews. There are many Muslims and Christians as well.

How about prophets?

 

[Jipsah]

I wanted to start this thread to the get the opinions of others regarding Israel's decision to give back the Gaza strip.

It's theirs, I reckon they can do as they please with it.

1. Is there any biblical reference of a moment this dramatic discussed in the bible?

Depends on what level of eisegesis you're willing to tolerate. I guarantee that somebody will find a reference they can hammer into referring to the Gaza giveback.

2. What do you think the retribution, if any at all, will befall Israel because of this decision?

Retribution against whom? The Israelis? The Palestinians? Chinese Anglicans? The AFL-CIO?

3. Your thoughts on the fact that present day Gaza was once part of the tribe of Judah.

How interesting!

4. There is already talk that the Palestinians want the West Bank. Will they ever be satisfied?

Probably not.

5. Does this act push us into the 'final hours' of the end times?

We've always been in our final hours, it's just that most of us don't have the wit to realize it.

 

[Jipsah]

Last time I checked that "secular state" was similar to the boundries of the promise land.

So?

And that "secular state" was founded by God's chosen people.

Some of 'em, anyway.

I don't think one has to "read into their bible" to understand the importance of the Jews giving back the promise land.

Sure you do. If the Bible doesn't address it (and it doesn't) then you have to stick something in yourself to find it.

 

[salvation05]

God made a covenant with the Jewish people, and God does not break any promise. Read Eziek 33-39.. in 1948 one promise was made.

If you do not understand God with his first chosen people, who's ancestors with Moses actually heard God's voice, then you need to study the Bible more.

Christ Jesus was a Jew, all his apostles were Jewish, in the Bible we are adopted gentiles. It is up to each individual to want iternal life or the latter.

peace

 

[MethodMan]

God made a covenant with the Jewish people, and God does not break any promise. Read Eziek 33-39.. in 1948 one promise was made.

So they got another promise in 1948?

If you do not understand God with his first chosen people, who's ancestors with Moses actually heard God's voice, then you need to study the Bible more.

Never said any different. Have they had a prophet in the last 1900 years or so?

Christ Jesus was a Jew, all his apostles were Jewish, in the Bible we are adopted gentiles. It is up to each individual to want iternal life or the latter.

So now we are jews?

 

[BarbB]

So now we are jews?

You bet. We are grafted in to the original tree which the Lord pruned 2000 years ago. But we can choose not to be grafted in - then we will twist in the wind.

 

[Galilean]

nd that "secular state" was founded by God's chosen people.

You actually beleive that they are 'god's chosen'? Do you realise how much this benefits them to have so many powerful and wealthy people beleiving that they are God's chosen?

Christ Jesus was a Jew, all his apostles were Jewish, in the Bible we are adopted gentiles. It is up to each individual to want iternal life or the latter.

So...we have a choice of either being a jew or accepting christ? That renders christ's sacrifice as being worth....nothing.
Why do you worship the jews and not christ?

 

[Galilean]

Christ Jesus was a Jew

You beleive this, is it more important to you then him being the son of God? Remember, he existed before all time, but you place so much importance (what you beleive to be) his race?

 

[lismore]

You beleive this, is it more important to you then him being the son of God? Remember, he existed before all time, but you place so much importance (what you beleive to be) his race?

Well Pontius Pilate asked him to his face if he WAS the King of the Jews and Jesus said YES! I leap to the conclusion that race is important to the Holy one Of Israel.

Still the great messiah and coming king

 

[Galilean]

Well Pontius Pilate asked him to his face if he WAS the King of the Jews and Jesus said YES! I leap to the conclusion that race is important to the Holy one Of Israel.

So the jews are a superior race?


let me get this straight....The chosen race of god are the jews, the jew is in God's favour simply on the primise of his heritage, his genetic lineage, his forefathers, his race. They were totally forbidden to intermarry with any non-jews because this would be corrupting the holy race. Jesus was from a pure jewish lineage, and the messiah of the jews. The holy religion came from the jews, and the jewish messiah was the fulfillment of the holy religion, which is the only true religion in the entire world, every other religion comes from other races and they are all false, the only true one comes from the jewish race. The jewish messiah was also the saviour for all of mankind. Every jew is automatically saved simply for being a jew. Salvation is given first to the jew, and then it is given to the gentile, by the saviour of mankind, who is a jew! These gentiles are christians, and if they so please they can become 'jews' as well, even though they still won't be from the holy race. Christians are adopted into the jewish family of 'G-d' and that is the only reason why they are saved. Since Jesus or 'Yashuah' was taken up to heaven in his body then he isa jew right now! christians are pretty much jewish, and only real christians if they support israel, 'love the jew', recognise their saviour as racially jewish, and their God as a jewish one, and consider themselves as pretty well jews (but still inferior because they are not from the holy race). People who do not do these things, are not really christians, any one who does not support the jew, hates the jew, and cannot be a christian, and anyone who does not support Zionism, can only pretend they don't hate the jew. So in other words, christians cannot be christians if they do not love the jew and they hate the jew unless they are fervent Zionists! They must consider themselves jewish, with a jewish saviour, and a jewish God (but they still are not part of the chosen race and can't get their citizenship cards for israel ).

Jesus=racially pure jew (even now in heaven)=God (or Shall I say 'G-d'), with the jewish race as his (God's) Chosen

Sounds like jew-worship to me !

Why not just admit it proudly? It honestly wouldn't suprise me if you did.