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read this column today and there's a lot of sense to what Jack Kelly says

http://jewishworldreview.com/0208/jkelly.php3


These are the two issues that I see as being the most important too(although I think that calling it the War on 'Terror' is a misleading misnomer).

John Mcain is more solidly on the right side on these issue than are even many conservatives.

I see a lot of conservative commentaries frothing at the mouth about McCain's stance on immigration and the Latin American and Mexican illegal immigrations. But even if these conservatives are right on this issue, they are wrong. Politically speaking, this could be another issue which could well be another major demographic nightmare for the conservative cause. With 80 percent of Blacks already firmly entrenched against the party of Lincoln, is this really a mistake that Republicans would care to repeat for the next fastest expanding demographic group in the US?

The primaries demonstrate that Mcain has at least not alienated the Hispanic vote.
 
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There is an alternative to all this: consider yourself more a citizen of the Kingdom of God, which suspends time and borders, and less a citizen of this evanescent kingdom on earth. Time and history have shown that God manages these transitory administrations, while scripture teaches us the eternal consequences of simply "going about the Father's business". We will encounter the politics as we follow our calling, but as ambassadors of the Kingdom walking in faith, the king of any empire is of no true import and will soon fade to be relieved by another while our God remains ruler of our Kingdom. Regardless of the next elected chieftan our mission and calling does not change...
 
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It's fun to sit back and watch the whole thing happen. I have practiced safe politics (abstaining) since 1984, don't participate in the process for personal and scriptural reasonings, ...

I find that a sad stand to choose! It's your right, of course, but still...

Hope you don't complain about politics because you thusly have no right to!
 
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I find that a sad stand to choose! It's your right, of course, but still...

Hope you don't complain about politics because you thusly have no right to!

I don't complain ma'am~it's my favorite sport to watch though I don't have a favorite team. The cultural/societal/religious dynamic is just amazing...and I don't find it sad at all. When I was a US Marine I was as "red, white and blue" as they came but have come to see that the Kingdom is so much bigger than political borders, and I have to work from that worldview since none of the others make sense (political conservative/liberal/moderate). My loyalty to the Kingdom of God is absolute; my loyalty to the USA/Constitution is ultimately nonexistent~not out of spite or hate or neglect, but I simply cannot serve two masters. I would expect Christians from other nations to have the same loyalties~unfortunately this doesn't happen, and then we find Christians shooting at each other in warseach thinking they are doing God's will (American War Between the States is a great example).

And no, I am no fan of the United Nations or "One World Gov't", am no great ecumenicist, am far more theologically conservative than most liberals will tolerate, so I can't get lumped into that group....but those like me are pretty nice folks
 
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I find that a sad stand to choose! It's your right, of course, but still...

Hope you don't complain about politics because you thusly have no right to!
I find that a sad stand to choose! It's your right, of course, but still..

As a conservative, I would stress the idea that it is as much a responsibility as a right.
Responsible government is not just our priviledge-it is our job as citizens.
 
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I find that a sad stand to choose! It's your right, of course, but still..

As a conservative, I would stress the idea that it is as much a responsibility as a right.
Responsible government is not just our priviledge-it is our job as citizens.

My job as a citizen? Must have missed that chapter and verse
 
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My job as a citizen? Must have missed that chapter and verse



"The Lord helps those who help themselves" is a chapter and verse that is not in the Bible.
Another verse not in the Bible is the tells us that "the only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing".
"With great freedom comes great responsibility" is yet another.
But just because these verses are not in the Bible does not make unBiblical. Keeping the Bible relevant to life in the modern era requires a deeper reading than driving goats into the desert, or sprinklings of bull's blood, and other verses that definitely are in the Bible, both chapter and verse.

I can tell your mind is set though, and that there are aspects of life that are best enjoyed as spectator sports, best to be enjoyed as a circus with a loaf of bread.

Remins me of a song by Ten Years After,

"I'd love to change the world,
but I don't know what to do.
So I'll leave it up to You."

I am certain that involvement in a war would burn us all out though.


 
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What you are saying is that unless one is deeply involved in the political aspects of a society nothing else done as a Christian is worthwhile for that society. There you are wrong sport. I played the all american, wore the uniform, did my "duty", but it amounted to nothing. This is just another transient empire. The work done for the Kingdom is what will last.

And guess what~society is also a beneficiary of that Kingdom work. So I won't vote in your elections, serve on your juries, wage your wars, but I will feed your hungry, clothe your naked, and pray with and comfort the mourning, share the gospel with the neighbors, give money to the missionaries in Haiti and at the Pregnancy Center. Sorry if that ain't enough; if that still makes me a spectator in the world in which we live, then that is the calling I have, give me a seat cushion.

But political people such as yourselves believe that unless I'm actively campaigning for "God's Man" for office I'm "doing nothing so evil can triumph", which is simply incorrect. I've seen very little from politicians that gives me any hope. I've seen them use christians as chumps to get votes, then toss 'em aside to move toward their own agendas. I will not put my hopes in kings and chariots.
 
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Read "The Myth of a Christian Nation" --Greg Boyd
 
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Regarding John McCain:

NARAL has this to say about him:
Sen. John McCain served in the U.S. House of Representatives from 1983 to 1986 and in the U.S. Senate from 1987 to present. During his four years in the House, then-Rep. McCain cast 11 votes on abortion and other reproductive-rights issues. Ten of these votes were anti-choice. In the Senate, through 2006, Sen. McCain cast 117 votes on abortion and other reproductive-rights issues, 113 of which were anti-choice.

In addition to his solidly anti-choice record, Sen. McCain has never cosponsored or supported legislation that would prevent unintended pregnancy or reduce the need for abortion


In spite of his "maverick" ways, why isn't this enough for the right to get solidly behind him? If the pro-choice people don't like him isn't it enough?
 
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LOL have they infrozen his dead body with a cure for alzheimers?


Is Walt Disney next?
One can only hope. I find Walt and Ronald better than the cast of clowns we have to choose from this year. Even if they are dead.
 
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And does anyone think mccain is honestly better for our troops? Better for our security as a nation?
There I give props to McCain. He respects the military and vice versa. Hard to detract from a guy that spend 5 years in the Hanoi Hilton.
 
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